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they aren’t learning it mid game

you can teach a child to snap a football mid-game and be fine, it’s wild that there are people who are breaking down over them “having to learn it”

in the 3rd round you’re almost universally getting high floor low ceiling or high ceiling floor types. I wouldn’t have minded a low impact position where one of the top guys was still on the board, but some would argue that’s exactly what off ball LB is and to that end it seems like a lot of the evaluations sites had him a top 3 or 4 off ball guy in this class i mean it’s not the e most enthralled I’ve ever been with a pick but I’ll wait and see where it goes before lambasting it

well I haven’t seen the analytics but he sure looked like he was getting separation as South Carolina used him effectively underneath. separation means different things at different levels of the field and the closer you are to the line of scrimmage the less difficult it is to do. Canales has already talked about all this but even prior to that it was obvious form his skill set that he was going to be running jets, drags, overs, slants, quick outs. These aren’t master class routes and most of the time they’re done with run concepts anyways to get the ball out quick and get your best ball carrier moving down field clean. Leggette has been billed by this board elsewhere as the vertical field stretcher who high points the ball down field and whereas he’s certainly demonstrated that as a tool I don’t think it’s going to be where they work him in as he develops. They’ll throw him the ball down field a few times to keep the defense on their literal toes but I imagine they’ll probably use him more as a weapon nearer to the line of scrimmage earlier while he develops his intermediate game.

“Guys we’ve been bad, how could you possibly argue we’ve needed more quality long snapper play? see how the argument doesn’t work

wait you believe the panthers have been bad because of mediocre center play? seems like you’re making my broader point about overvaluing the impact the position has

he will be used rotationally if that’s the only standard you’re after and saying “likely needs a lot of work” kind of just feels like you’re assuming a broader point rather than evaluating the player

because that’s likely how he’s going to be utilized early on until he develops his intermediate game

the point here is that you can buy quality center player for next to nothing and get veterans in the process but I don’t think people want veterans, I don’t even really think they’re in love with the players i think a lot of people just love the idea of taking centers, either because they’re an easy to project position that probably has a low bust rate and the thought of a bust terrifies a lot of people, or people just like the idea of drafting a center high because it’s tough and huzzah and build those trenches and that seems most “cool” by having big time pick investment

“the panthers will continue to value WRs over centers” yes welcome to the national football league

both the jets and giants have been every bit as awful as us, how are those ELITE PLUG AND PLAY CENTERS doing for those franchises

I too wish we would’ve taken that plug and play polished and ready mega talent at pick 72

I mean we heard the reports pre draft that brooks was their guy there’s nothing to indicate center was ever in play

Not a bad pick, intense, productive. Potential special teams value as well.

Really felt like will reichard was worth a selection feel like they’ve shopped for need a good bit here the past few rounds

When do we pick again

I posted earlier with some data that this really isn’t true. They arguably could’ve used more athleticism.

they wouldn’t.

I also found this. So the whole “RAS obsession” point is indeed a fan manufactured talking point. It may potentially veer up post Tepper but as noted above, the last two classes have not been demonstrative of that.

There’s nothing to suggest the panthers fixate on high RAS score guys at a rate that’s abnormal, they finished middle of the pack last draft for average RAS score by team and whereas I cannot find the team by team average for the draft prior, the scores outside of Brandon smith and Amare barno-the two players people constantly use to prop this argument up-none of the players were anything other than “solid” and sometimes “average” athletically in that class It seems far more likely that they are taking athletic but raw players in the 3rd and 4th round because those are the types of guys you typically find there, and that the rest of the league is doing the exact same thing

the weird thing is that most of these places have him pegged as a 3rd rounder the crime is that we didn’t take a guy from their Alma mater

take Brenden rice so we don’t have to watch him go to San Fran and have to listen to the niners media hype cycle

so if we say “yes they did” I’m guessing you’re not gonna be like “okay I’ve reconsidered my position” huh

People are still evaluating QBs as if they are or are not “worth” a 1st round pick, when cost has become a huge consideration the broncos didn’t talk themselves into believing Bo nix was an elite prospect. They did come to the realization that a solid quarterback integrated into their offense, who is cost controlled is every bit as valuable as a defensive tackle they kinda like. In Payton’s case, he certainly believes he is qualified to maximize Nix an insider with a comment made by an nfl executive said it best: there is no longer a middle class for QBs. The idea that first round QBs should be transformative is an outsiders take, but cost comprises a huge part of value for teams and rookie contract QBs are highly valuable that isn’t to say teams are enslaved to the salary cap, they definitely aren’t and that’s been proven over and again, buts it’s these elements that make it so malleable. at least that’s a line of thinking prevalent in the league right now

by all accounts this is an interpretation issue on your end