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Yeah but the whole point of a LT is to protect your QB's blindside (right handed). Opening holes for RBs is not why they are far and away the highest paid linemen. The only linemen that are paid as much or more are the guys that can beat them to get to the QB. A LT that's a run specialist is like a WR that only runs screens and jet sweeps. Many here think the team can easily replace BY. I think the same can be said for Ickey. Heck Yosh may not be that much of a drop off - if any.

Honestly thought Ickey was fairlt average. That's just based on the eye test. I haven't seen any grades or anything to base that on. Usually when the QB was pressured, it seemed like it was coming from the LT or RG.

Yeah. He going to jail.

WR is absolutely a priority. Don't need a high draft pick WR, but a speedy, quick twitch WR is needed here. That guy can be picked in the 4th round and later. Most teams have a couple on their practice squad. So might make more sense to pick up a vet (2 or 3 years) that's buried on someone else's depth chart. Smaller, quicker version of Brycen Tremayne. Maybe Jimmy Horn steps into that spot next season. Remember he's a 6th rounder. Really wanted Tez there, but...

It appears that he sees things differently than the QB and OC, so Cam's advice is spot on. It isn't about number of targets, it's about quality of targets. Trust and being on the same page. BY doesn't know how to anticipate what XL is doing. And XL doesn't like where BY is placing passes. One on one film study would go a long way. More for BY than XL though. He has to adjust to XL. I really don't think XL can adjust on the fly.

If the team shows improvement, then he shouldn't be in danger of losing his job - even if the record doesn't reflect. This was a very young team (with a lot of new vet starters) that overperformed last season. Somebody's doing something right. Consistency is key with so much youth. And we're potentially looking at new starters at ILB and FS. Those are positions that take time to fully understand the defense. ILB calls the front 7. Safety calls the back 4. Injuries at WR and IOL killed the offense last season. Depth needs to be upgraded. Same with Edge. I think they would have won more games if Pat Jones doesn't go down early. Be smart with the roster and draft. Trade players for assets when it's time to pay them more than they're worth - yes, that includes BY if he doesn't make a pretty big jump. That's one of the many reasons Tillis is as important as anyone to the future of this team.

Gotcha, I see what you're saying. But I'd think they'd be trying to get on another team's payroll instead of Carolina's. If this is a new stat, then I could agree. If this is an existing calculation that hasn't changed its variables, then my point still stands. And they likely wouldn't rate him so low on other calculations.

So FORMER employees influence your current analysis? Honestly sounds a little conspiracy theory like to me. But it's possible I guess.

This is what I mean. I am not some huge BY fan. I honestly don't look at QBs the way a lot of you guys do. Right or wrong, I've always looked at them as just another cog in the machine. Didn't want BY or even a trade up for a QB in 2023. We saw in the Super Bowl how important the rest of the team is on any given Sunday. Now... so PFF, who has no reason to prop up BY, says he's first in 2 stat lines and Panthers "fans" are arguing why it's either wrong or a made up stat just to make BY look good. Even though they have multiple stat lines where he's literally last in. Like 32nd in the NFL. Some he's even lower than 32. Take a step back. Try to objectively self analyze. This is just not sensible. Same thing I see with other teams' fans and their QBs though. We analyze every single throw on every single play. For every other QB, most here are only using highlights to judge. Makes a difference. We saw Stafford miss throws when they played Carolina - both games. We saw Love throw crap up when they played Carolina. We saw Dak miss throws when they played Carolina - and Pickens was putting on a SHOW. We saw Josh Allen win a game with 163 yards passing against Carolina, but if BY does it he's crap and can't pass for 200 yards. Gents... come on.

Please explain. Not understanding Thielen as a training wheel.

I don't know. The NFL makes up their own rules, particularly under the personal conduct policy. I wouldn't expect him to play much next season, even if he hasn't had his day in court.

I haven't seen anyone say it'll be easy next season. Personally think major improvements with regards to pass rush and offensive playmakers are needed to take the next step. Won 8 games after playing 7 playoff teams and both superbowl teams in 2025. And that's with Hunt, Chuba and Coker injured most of the season. A rookie and XL were your top 2 WRs. Rozeboom was your green dot LB. Have to think there will be improvements in WR and pass rush, just because the top guys aren't rookies anymore. Long shot for 9-10 wins, but it's possible.

That's not good enough for an extension.

What if Bryce hits 4000 yards and 30 TDs? Would that be sufficient? Should that be the goal this season? I don't know if the team will be good enough to win 9+ games this season.

Yeah I 100% agree that fullbacks and special teams players don't count. But would you rather have XL, Bryce or Ickey over Kuechley, CMC or a Kyle Hamilton? Marginal players at "high value" positions don't move the needle like exceptional players at "lower value" positions. Plays are needed at every level on offense and defense. Particularly in the NFL, where the margin of error is so small. Winning or losing usually comes down to a few plays. You need guys that'll make them. Not a bunch of guys that are just keeping their heads above water.