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Darnold is definitely more of a gun slinger. I wish Bryce had some of that. Or at least attempt more deep passes instead of settling for the shorter routes. He took more shots in college. Hopefully we get to consistently see that version of him at some point. I was responding to your post that Bryce took a 6-6 Wilkes team and made them historically bad. The o-line was different in 2023 due to injuries. The best WR was gone - the only good one they had. The coaching philosophy and game plan was different. The defense was different and a lot worse. Completely different situations. Bryce Young could have had success in that 2022 system with those players too. I mean Darnold threw for less than 200 yards a game in a much better situation than rookie Bryce. They won a game that he passed for 43 yards and 2 picks. FYI, Baker beat out Darnold in training camp. Darnold was injured and PJ came in as the backup. They ended up demoting Baker to the scout team as a defensive lineman before trading him. Maybe they released him, can't remember. PJ filled the gap between Baker and Darnold returning from injury. Either way, Wilkes absolutely took the games out of the QBs hands and relied on clock control offense and bend but don't break defense. Canales definitely leaned on a hot run game this year, but he never took the ball out of BYs hands. He gave him a ton of RZ and 3rd/4th down opportunities.

Do you really want the details of a rich, 80 years old's sexual harassment case in the work place? He wouldn't have kept doing it if they all said no. Let that sink in.

I don't think the details will ever come out. Not completely. It would make guys look like scum and/or incompetent. The NFL is a good ol boy league that takes care of their own.

Really think that whole "hunger games" thing did him in. He couldn't control his staff, lost the locker room, and had different coaches giving their rookie QB conflicting instructions. And wasn't there a mole that was reporting everything to Tepper? It was bad. Real bad. He had to go.

Talk about revisionist history... Totally different situations. Did you forget that Wilkes won by playing sound defense and largely taking the ball out of the QBs hand? Donta Foreman pulled a Rico and ran over every team we played. We had an o-line of top tier run blockers, bottom tier pass blockers. We beat the Saints the last game 10-7. Darnold went 5/15 for 43 yards and 2 interceptions - and we won! Even rookie Bryce could have done that. Then all the centers and guards got hurt in 2023 and we had guys coming in off the street starting that had no business doing so. I'd bet alot of them never played another down in the NFL. Had scrubs coming in on Tuesday and starting on Sunday.

That's not true. I've seen him beat linebackers to the goal line and first down marker. Also seen him make LBs and DBs miss in the open field. He'd be a legit running threat if he was better at holding onto the ball. Those fumbles...

Huh? He isn't even a pure pocket passer. Actually may be better off schedule than on. Definitely more exciting out of the pocket. Could be height challenges - most likely. But he's also pretty elusive for a QB. No QB can play with immediate pressure up the middle. None. Ever. But I do agree that Dan overcompensated. That much on OGs is not wise. Particularly for a QB like Bryce that wants to escape the pocket.

And get them actual good WRs first, because you can judge a QB on numbers when he has bad to ok receivers. If he falls after that, then no contract.

Disagree. They weren't propping up the QB by improving the OG position coming off what we saw in 2023. They were addressing an obviously horrible position group that didn't allow them to even run the offense. Even drafting XL was an attempt to address an obviously horrible position group. Drafting Brooks was to address a position that consisted of Chuba Hubbard only. And we know catching has always been his Achilles heel. They were improving what they thought were the biggest weaknesses on the team. Who knew Derrick Brown would get injured in the first game of the season and the entire defense would fall apart. And no one was coming in to Carolina and making them respectable those first 2 seasons. QB isn't played in a vacuum. That's why Brady left the Patriots and went to Tampa to win a Super Bowl. His coach was starting to give him the Cam treatment.

Football is the ultimate team sport. No sport is more dependent on others for your success - including coaching. I don't know if Bryce is the guy, but I do know this has been a very bad team all around since he got here. One of the worst o-lines and coaching staffs I've ever seen his rookie year. One of the worst defenses and receiving groups (including TEs) I've ever seen his 2nd season - with a rookie HC and OC. An improving WR group his 3rd season mostly due to a rookie. The only other WR of note didn't really play well until after the 10th game of the season due to injury. Still no receiving TE to speak of. And lost games because of the worst pass rush in the NFL. And the only speed he's ever had on the field was DJ Chark. A washed up DJ Chark that played here one year and has had 31 yards receiving since leaving. Carolina had no business moving up for a QB in 2023. They weren't ready. Especially if it meant trading your only good WR to do it. Now finally there's potential on defense. Potential on o-line. Potential at WR, including some actual speed in a game where speed kills. If BY falls on his face this season, then he has to own it. Situation may not be perfect, but it's at least NFL average across the board. I won't beat him up for being bad in bad situations on a bad team. But a 4th year QB has to be able to control the offense and make players/coaches right. The team looks good enough on paper to show what he can do now.

So Jameson Williams and John Metchie were elite talents but Egbuka, Marvin Harrison, Njigba and Cade Stover weren't? Bryce had Jermaine Burton, Jacorey Brooks and Kobe Prentice that last season. A 3rd rounder and 2 UDFAs.

Yeah, but we've seen him do it. Just not often. I think that's the reason for the taller WRs. Would likely be a problem finding someone like Jimmy Horn in the mess.

That's surprising. Most young QBs are more at ease throwing between the hashes. I think the real question is why. Is it because he can't see over the middle? Or is it because we lack TEs and slots to be consistently effective there?

My biggest problem with Bryce is his reluctance to throw deep. You have to take shots every game to keep defenses honest. Otherwise they just jump on the underneath stuff all day. Now if I recall correctly he did take a deep shot to TMac in the Seattle game and he dropped it trying a one hand catch. No agenda. Just saying. Regardless, 54 yards passing in a game is pretty friggin abysmal! But you can't believe that's all on the QB. That's likely a failure in a lot of areas.

Or... maybe... Bryce isn't as bad as YOU think he is. You don't watch the film knowing the plays and what everyone is supposed to be doing. How do you know someone didn't run the wrong route? Or get proper depth? Or read the hot? You don't. SO WEIRD to constantly be down on your QB. Even when he plays well, there's a but. I guarantee you the Panthers will move on from Bryce Young if they don't think he can win a Super Bowl. As they should. But I'll trust the coach and GM with years of inside NFL experience.