SmokinwithWilly

I get what you're saying. When I looked at his performance, just the QB role, that was a good game. It was a good game I would expect from a franchise level QB. It's not a game I would classify as a stellar performance. It's the same standard I hold any QB to. I'm not holding Young to anything different. The statement was that was a stellar game. I didn't think it was and gave my reasons why. You may think it is. Perfectly acceptable. I think stellar performance is one you sit down and watch and say look how <player> took over and dominated the game. He controlled the game. He controlled the offense. He was the driving force behind the win. I don't think he met all those qualifications to call it stellar. That's all.

I didn't think the Rams game was a stellar performance. Like I said it was a good performance, but not one I would put in front of 31 other starting QBs and tell them that's the pinnacle of NFL QB performance. He was responsible for 2 TDs in truth, but he gets credit for 3. The screen to Chuba was all Chuba after the catch. He looked stellar in Atl, he looked good against the Rams. Different swagger, different feel, different command of the offense. Good performance, not a stellar one, IMO.

I'd disagree about the LAR game being stellar. He made a couple of key 4th down throws for touchdown, good throws and I give him credit for those, and a throw to Coker to seal the game but I wouldn't consider that a stellar game. The screen pass to Chubba was a standard screen pass. We had to have 2 4th down risky calls because the rest of the offense wasn't working. We were not moving the ball at will. Without a pick in the end zone and one returned for a TD, that 10 -14 point swing, we don't win that game. Bryce did not own that game. He had 3 great throws in that game, but that was really it. He did not dominate that game, at least from my point of view. 9 times out of 10, we don't win that game. Without those 3 takeaways, we don't win that game. The Dallas game, he had 200 yards passing and 3/1, but again, I wouldn't consider that stellar. What Rico did was stellar. I would consider what Bryce did a good game for a starting NFL QB. That's what those stat lines reflect and what he did in game. Did he make some big throws. Yes. But again. He didn't own that game. Rico owned that game. Maybe that's a stellar game for Bryce. I consider it a good game for a franchise QB. I expect 8 of those performances a year. Atlanta 2.0 was a stellar game. He did get a lot of help from his receivers with YAC but he was throwing it everywhere and he owned the field. That game he looked like a franchise QB. It's all in how you look at it I guess. The bar has been so low that a good game for a starting NFL QB can be considered stellar for Bryce. I want and expect more from a starting NFL QB, especially one that's going to be coming off his rookie contract and won't be able to have all the resources spent to surround him just to have this level of performance. If Bryce was a 5th round QB and not a 1st we wouldn't be having this discussion and therein lies the real issue I think. We're so heavily invested it's distorted our perception. If Bryce was playing for any other team we line up against on Sunday we'd be salivating.

I guess technically speaking, Gunner Olszewski is the best passer in the league right now going 1 for 1 for 33 yards and a TD and a 158.3 rating on the season.

But the opposite is also true. A QB comes in up by 3 scores and hands off the rest of the game and throws 2 passes, it throws off the stats. Using a complete game is a more accurate reflection is all. Same as if a QB got knocked out on the 2nd series. That game shouldn't count as a complete game for stats purposes.

If a backup QB comes into a game down by 3 scores, they're passing. It's probably going to be 4:1 pass to run. The stats are going to be skewed. It's not going to be an accurate reflection of an entire game plan from start to finish. Pretty simple stuff.

Well I'm watching every game this season so it's the same football, same time frame. I see things differently than you do. I can't tell what your actual opinion is because lately it's been coming from Joe Person and others. For someone who doesnt believe in stats you sure as poo seem to be hung up on them. And let's not forget, Jake was a practice squad QB, not the number 1 overall draft pick. They aren't even comparable in expectations of past performance or expected level of QB play. I didn't even mention stats for the 1st 2 years with Bryce. That would be you. What he looked like from the 1st 2 years was that same QB with the same god awful mechanics making throws squared up to the line, not driving his passes, bailing out of the pocket too early, sloppy footwork on drop backs, hopping to get his pass over the line because he's not tall enough to actually throw over a defensive player. When things aren't perfect, he looks like that same awful rookie player. That's why I said you can't ignore past performance. You go back and look to see if he's still doing those things or if he's developing.

Which is why you can't ignore the 1st 2 seasons because the Saints and 9ers looked exactly like Bryce in the 1st 2 seasons.

You must be watching different football than I am because when Im watching Bryce at QB, literally none of those things come to my mind.

So let's forget the past 2 seasons. Which of the last 4 games are the true Bryce. The Rams and Falcons or the 9ers and Saints?

If not for the car crash, would Bryce have seen the field again?

I don’t know what that line in LV is doing but blocking isn’t it. They’re getting jumped more than a subway turnstile.

If draft position had been ignored, Bryce would have been out of the league after his first year. His on field product was terrible, regardless of who his supporting cast was. The things he could control were painful to watch. When it starts that bad, any improvement looks good. But the bar is sitting on the ground so low you cant trip over it. The things that he does badly, his footwork, mechanics, drop backs, squaring up to the pocket to throw, etc, have gotten minimally better. Bad Bryce falls back to those heavily. If you ignore all the stats and just watch him play the position, it's not pretty. Frankly, it's still painful to watch. I don't like or dislike Bryce the person so I don't hate him. I just watch how he plays and it's not a good way to play for a franchise QB.

Because rookie Bryce showed up in our 1st game vs NO and on Primetime vs SF.

Had something funny/not funny happen 10 years ago. Was in a 2500 person league with a 500k payout. Had a juggernaut team and outscored the rest of the league by 400 points averaging almost 190 a week. I finished 2-12. I finished 2nd in points every week but 2. Everyone had their best week of the season against me. If I had made the playoffs I would have won it all. But you had to make the 4 team playoff to get into the overall playoffs.

I'm sure they do. I sure as hell would. While I agree with the sentiment you need your guy at QB, my opinion on how to build has shifted. Personally, I think resources need to be spent on the offensive line, a solid WR1 with 2 interchangeable guys that can fill the WR2/3 role, and a guy with glue for hands. RBs can be had in later rounds or UDFA. Behind a solid line, those guys become better than their acquired cost. You can entice a FA QB or draft a QB that fits a system rather than spend years trying to build around one only to find out he isn't capable.

All the pre-draft stuff with his creating his own draft room for a million bucks and the narrative his dad wasn't letting him play for just any team in the NFL. It was a very bad image going in, and then it didn't help that guys like Kiper were just humping his leg day 2 and 3 about he was the best player in the draft and it was a travesty he wasn't drafted yet and he would be the best player in the draft and they would all regret it. It's also perpetuated on social media that he deserved to be starter because of what he did in college over anyone else on the team and on and on. Rage bait for clicks etc.

I think the real question is will he accept a short, mid-range contract. As I've said many times in many threads, the 5th year is an option, but Lamar is the only one who played on it. Jones played the final year of his rookie deal. All the other 1st round QBs other than Tua (year 4) got their extensions following year 3 of their rookie deal. Bryce could easily follow suite. Lawrence got a huge extension and hasn't been a franchise QB. I could see his agent pushing for that level of contract just because it's already been given to Lawrence and similar to Purdy and Tua (4 year, not 5). There's a lot of speculation right now obviously, but a couple of these big contracts to not so franchise guys has helped put us in a bad position.

I've seen no selfies with Rex Ryan at Lowe's. Not sure it can be the same guy.

Well, he's already done it once, so there's that.

I see Brooks as any other late round or UDFA at this point. If he makes the team, fine. If not, nothing lost. Nothing against the guy and hate his career has been derailed by this injury, but a great run blocking line can turn an average RB into a great RB and vice versa. Easy to get lots of yards as a back when you aren't getting 1st contact until 2 or 3 yards past the LoS.

They're going to follow the game plan of any team vs Bryce. Make him throw. If he has a good day, we can win. If not, the board will be heated again after the game.

Just saw Daniel Jones having season ending Achilles surgery.

Almost to the point of needing to carry a dozen linemen anymore. Way too many injuries for most teams every year. I'd like to see the roster expanded a few spots to help, or even a few more protected spots on the PS and expand a few slots there.

Their WR injuries have hurt as well. No consistency in that group at all.