SmokinwithWilly

Week 1 will be Car vs Houston at Houston. Stroud vs Bryce in an epic SB preview.

We're talking about Panthers football and under tepper, we've had 8 straight losing seasons. We have reason to analyze what they're doing because so far, we haven't won poo. I'm not some Browns fan that will cheer failure just because their my team. We love football and we love this team. I for one am sick and tired of a winning season once every 4 years on average. Win some games. Win back to back seasons. Win with some god damn consistency in how you play. Do that and I guarantee the "whining" will stop. Until then, this team, it's owner, GM, players and coaches are free game for criticism. I dont support losing. There are no participation trophies in the NFL and we damn sure shouldn't act like a winner because we got one each of the last 8 years.

I am a billion % sure he is the father... It was an honest mistake.

1a. Drafted Tom Brady in the 5th round. 1b. Might be an unpopular opinion, but when Reid was let go in Philly, k would have fired Rivera and brought him in. It was obvious he was an offensive genius. Coaches like Reid don't come available often.

You could always watch the PFC on ESPN the Ocho.

I've been saying this for quite a while. There a pattern involved in all the transactions and camp/season activity that doesn't make sense unless you factor in than the GM/coach have been overruled from above. I remember that during the hiring process it was widely rumored that Bryce had to be the guy as part of the hiring process and him staying there was a condition. Whether that's true or not, who knows for certain, but it does fall in line with a lot of the moves we've made regarding our QB room over the last 3 off seasons.

^^^^ This. Plus, even if you have a superstar, keep trying to find a 1B. One bad hit can end a career. Joe Theismann is a perfect example of this. Worst thing that can happen is a team trades for your backup if he shows out in a game or 2.

Brissett outperformed Bryce in only 12 games starting, Minshew is the equivalentof KP and Beck at least has possibilities unlike Grier. Interesting how Arizonas QB room is worse than our

My biggest issue is the footwork and that jump pass thing. He doesn't plant and throw on a consistent basis and you see it in his throws. Those jump balls have a lot of air under them giving defenders time to close and/or jump the route. I've heard him called out on it several times by commentators when watching games.

We don't like below average QB performance. The name of the QB is irrelevant.

Keep on bringing them in. If they don't got the goods, try another one. Only way to find a gem is if we keep on digging.

I remember reading that it's sometimes better to go undrafted than going in the 6th or 7th because the offers you get can actually pay more and the likelihoodof making the team is still roughly the same. Offering the most is how we got Coker.

FiFY

We know the story. Tepper hired Frank. Frank thought he would get to pick his guy after the trade. Tepper overruled him because of a play broken down over a sald. Frank got pissed and didnt GAF anymore, Dave made him sign NDA and paid him millions to go away.

Well, at least we added a seasoned safety to our team...

Hard to say. Depends on who you play and when. Projected good teams end up sucking from either a key injury, bad play or just overall bad coaching. Likewise, some bad teams turn out better than expected from a breakout player, new coaches or overall better than expected performance. Ultimately the question should be, did the Panthers and <insert name here> improve enough to move forward as part of continued efforts. If yes, they stay, if not, move on. No need to over think it.

It's doubtful he plays football again, especially tackle. Recovery rate from this injury is not good. Tackle was a need the minute we found out about the nature of that injury. We can all hope he recovers and comes back, but banking the future on him defying the odds to protect our QBs blind side is really bad strategy. If he does somehow return, I expect he'll need to go inside.

One of the biggest problems with Fitterer is he could not feel the flow of a draft. Mingo was a panic pick. Trading away Moore left our cupboard bare and we had to replace him immediately. It was a pick forced by the trade up. DJ Johnson was a panic pick. It was the end of a run on edge rushers and he felt we had to get somebody, anybody and we got something all right. There were so many issues, but his drafting was some of the worst I've seen. You can't miss year after year and expect to compete.

If we offer him an extension, it will be as an entrenched starting QB. He's not a Burrow or Allen and I don't think we should pay him like one. I still think Lawrence was overpaid for what he produced. Of those you mentioned, only Gettleman was a JR employee. The rest were all here under Tepper. I still see Tepper as the overall issue with our QB room. As far as the comparison between Cam and Bryce, two different QBs in 2 different decades. The key difference between the 2 being, Cam only cost a first. Bryce cost 2 1sts, 2 2nds and Moore. We could afford to miss on Cam, we couldn't with Bryce and so far, we have.

If he's doesn't produce we need to move on. He's not going to take a transition QB deal, or guys that have been on multiple teams, because that's what those numbers are. Guys that are getting their second deal with the original team are getting in the 50s.

That's why I say we have to keep looking. Even if you believe Bryce is the guy, KP and Grier are not and who knows if King is anything more than a gimmick player, we should be active in improving our 2nd QB spot. Season ending injuries happen, and you don't just want to roll over and give it up. How many starters have we seen come from the ranks of backup? Having 2 potential starting QBs is one of the best problems we could have.

As much as I despise Billy B, his philosophy on QBs is how I would approach things if I were a GM. You always keep looking for your next starter. He has Bledsoe, who got injured and his backup ended up being the GOAT. Even while he had that going, he kept getting his next guy and developing them. When Brady got hurt, Cassel stepped in and went 11-5 and they missed the wild card by dumb luck. Who knows how far they would have gone if they had gotten in. Jimmy Gs career started in NE. There were others, but he always kept looking. You can't be afraid to keep looking for your next starter, but it looks like we're afraid to look for more than a marginal one. If you're going to offer a $25m contract with incentives, that screams marginal QB. It also screams you're just a transition until we find our guy. After a 10 or 11 win season, he's not accepting that offer. And then you're in a Daniel Jones situation. Do you pay for a year of success and pray it wasn't a one year wonder? To this point, Bryce has really produced nothing, yet for whatever reason, our FO has not even sniffed at the idea that we need a real QB room with real QBs. Dalton was never starter potential, Plummer was a joke. KP certainly isn't, neither is Grier. Our approach to the QB room needs to be one of strength not fear. Bring in guys who can compete or who you think can compete. This is THE elite position, in an elite sport, paid premium salary, where production matters. Either you produce or you can lose your job. It's not mean, it's just the reality of the position. And I'm really just tired of our candy ass approach to it.

If you need 6 years to evaluate whether or not your QB is worth keeping, the whole staff needs to be fired.

Because he's the number 1 overall pick on his original team. He's not going into FA. He'll want what other 1st round QBs get on their second deal. And Tepper is so enamored with him he'll force the issue.

Actually that 4400 was based on a 16 game season to match Bryce's 16 games this year. Your offense has to be to drive the ball when it matters. Bryce doesn't do that with any level of consistency. If you're building a team that isn't focused on your QB, then fine. Then there's no need to pay Bryce as a franchise QB because literally anyone else will do. If you're going to pay him 50m plus per season, you have to be able to put the team on his shoulders and know he's going to carry the load. So far, when the pressure is on to get it done, Bryce has fallen miserably short of the target. 4-6 to finish out the season and 0-2 when all we need is a win to secure a playoff spot isn't stepping up and proving yourself as a franchise QB. I'd say it's quite the opposite. There isn't a single coach in this league that would take Bryce over Burrow and very few if any that would take Bryce over Prescott. Hurts didn't have to throw in 2025 because Philly's defense was disgusting and Saquan had a MVP season. But then again, Hurts has shown that he can when it counts, and then there's his signature. Philly runs the tush push to lethal perfection, but that's a play we can't even consider with Bryce. You used 3 QBs from teams that had no defense to show QB stats don't always matter. When we had the worst defense in the NFL, we didn't see Bryce step up and carry the offense and put up gaudy numbers in a losing season because we were playing catch up. It was pretty much the opposite. What have we seen from Bryce consistently to consider offering him a top 10 NFL franchise QB level contract? At the end of the day, that's all that matters.