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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He made a 48 yarder on the previous drive.

We get it. You like Young. Hell, I do too. But this agenda driven trolling is just tiresome. You can like your guy without trashing a guy who put up 41 points and came missed FG away against the #1 defense in the country.

 

if yall didnt want to cuck out and take a guy cause hes 6'3" and struggles to finesse anything vs a guy whos proven a lot more because yall are size queens than i wouldnt have to 

Just now, Jackie Lee said:

He hooked it like 15 yards to the left lol. Distance wasn't the problem

bruh if you gotta kick it as hard as you possibly can shanking is much more likely, if it was a 40 yarder id respect the miss more but did you really expect that kid to make that? scrambling to give your guy a 50 yarder in college is bare minimum

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hell, let's not forget that OSU missed a FG as time expired after Stroud got them in FG range. But evidently it's still Stroud's fault?

they should have never even been in that position in the first place they were winning putting the fate of your team on a 50 yarder for a college kid with 100k fans is not ideal, score 1 touchdown in the 4th and its a different narrative and id be singing strouds name

13 minutes ago, frankw said:

There are a lot of Alabama fans in the Carolinas who have waited years for us to finally draft one of Saban's QB's. The shitposting you see is the result.

not a bama fan i just dont see how yall cant tell that cj is jared goff and will choke / let people come back from behind like herbert

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Hell, let's not forget that OSU missed a FG as time expired after Stroud got them in FG range. But evidently it's still Stroud's fault?

50 yards is not field goal range for a college kid, again 0 touchdowns in the 4th quarter will cause you to lose close games everytime

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And OSU's defense gave up 42 in the game you're criticizing Stroud for losing.

they gave up 42 cause buddy couldnt score the whole 4th quarter if u cant stay on the field on offense than the other team is going to score. thats why you cant score 0tds in a 4th quarter and expect to win it just wont happen

2 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Lol a dime before a game ending pick 6. That sounds like Darnold. Keep it up this is good stuff man!

he kept that crap team in it the whole game it was the most watson performance ive seen, darnold had interception and fumble issues since college thats a stupid comparison

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Lol a dime before a game ending pick 6. That sounds like Darnold. Keep it up this is good stuff man!

dawg it wasnt a game ending pick 6 the game was over he dropped a dime to put them in the 10, he just didnt have jameson williams let alone marvin harrison jr, they didnt lose that game cause of bryce anyone with eyes can tell you that

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

you realize you just made his point dont you?  Nah I doubt you do

ohio defense wasnt that bad and osu offense was stacked and he couldnt score in the 4th do that in any superbowl and your losing dude

3 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Yep. Now do the championship where he threw the final pick 6. What about UT or LSU? What about the playoffs??? Oh wait Alabama actually missed the playoffs for the first time in a while during Young’s last year. 
It’s a team sport. I don’t hold any of that against Young because I can actually look at the player vs the team. 

bro watch that game he dropped a dime right before that pick 6 at that point the game was over dude

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think it's a mistake to judge prospects by team results. I'm pretty sure Mahomes had an overall losing record at Texas Tech. 

I mean, we can always just draft Stetson Bennett if we're just looking for a winner.

texas tech defense gave up 41 points PER GAME that year 

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

Cool? They aren't going to be stepping between Bryce Young and massive NFL defenders barreling toward him.

cj seperated his rotator cuff in college and will levis was injured too. bryce was never injured 24 straight starts in the sec and beat auburn with pure cold blooded instinct, never seen cj face adversity and prevail, im not being biased ive just truly never seen it

17 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Young was the first Bama QB in a minute without a championship. Hell he even missed the entire playoffs last year. Squeaked by Texas… See how dumb this looks. It’s a team game and anyone blaming Stroud for the UGA loss has a definite agenda.

kid stepped off the gas scored 0 tds in the 4th and lost no agenda if he won id be team stroud but he didnt and he couldnt even come close to beating michigan either year, young smoked his opponents when he had a good team around him better stats than stroud all around that year too

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wouldn't hold DJ against him. He was a good receiver for us while we trotted out trash QB after trash QB and then proved to be a pivotal piece of the trade that got us the #1 overall pick. Now he's WR1 for another franchise.

Hell, he was right about DJ.

he was right about cooper kupp too

15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Young was the first Bama QB in a minute without a championship. Hell he even missed the entire playoffs last year. Squeaked by Texas… See how dumb this looks. It’s a team game and anyone blaming Stroud for the UGA loss has a definite agenda.

squeeked by texas? you mean beat texas? and he beat georgia his first year as a starter in the sec championship 41-24 and coulda scored more if he didnt have to kneel off like a winner

17 minutes ago, frankw said:

Charles Johnson is one of my all time favorite Panthers but who is asking him which QB to draft? With that logic let's ask Julius Peppers what he thinks.

Steve Smith is a hell of a player and our best receiver in history but who knows about his ability as an evaluator. He raved about DJ Moore we know that. Evaluation abilities undetermined at best.

jj watt and charles johnson both sack qbs for a living and dont see a problem with youngs size

30 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

 

pretty clear you didnt watch that game

it wasnt one game he lost to michigan twice and they whooped his ass both times

33 minutes ago, frankw said:

 

 

So are you a Bama fan or do you just follow them loosely? Please just cop to it at least the OSU homers here are upfront. It's funny I've yet to see one admitted Alabama fan in weeks but Bryce Young superfans are crawling out of the woodwork.

Bryce is in rarefied air as far as his build in the NFL. There's a reason fellas are clinging to Brees and Wilson. Later in his career Brees did nothing but statpad and Wilson has already gotten a head coach fired on his new team. The only other one you could mention is Kyler Murray and I do enjoy how you pro Young guys don't want any parts of that one now. Convenient.

Anywho the negatives for Stroud are how will he react to NFL pressure and how quickly will he process all that. Based on what I know of his character and him as a person I have no doubt he will be committed to soaking up everything the coaching staff throws at him. He has the pocket presence the accuracy and he can make the throws. If they think they can coach him up make the pick. Moving to Bryce Young if he's the pick there's some stipulations you need to get out of the way first. Foremost you need to keep investing big in your OL depth. Two you do not want him taking hits in the pocket or scrambling much. But that's his game isn't it? Well if you want him available through a 17 game season that's largely out the window. He's going to have to adjust his game to withstand the rigors of a full season. He played against some big boys in the SEC but this is a new level. And even in the SEC he got his shoulder banged up. You have to acknowledge these concerns and act accordingly.

stroud pocket presense is nothing to write home about and his scouting report is literally "interceptions arise when coming off first target" im supposed to believe that will go away when the nfl is even harder? you dont jump for a guy whos best game was a loss to georgia and scored 0tds in the 4th quarter and couldnt beat his rivals michigan either of his two "magical" years

8 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

People keep saying Stroud had better weapons--in 2022, yes but 2021 Young had Metchie & Jameson Williams.  Two potential studs who just haven't been healthy in the NFL yet. Godspeed to Metchie coming back from cancer treatment this year.  

And the interesting thing is that his stats still held true when the studs left.  He managed very identical numbers 2021 to 2022, Y/A (8.9 to 8.8) and AY/Y (10.0 to 9.9).  Rating 167.5 to 163.2.  66.9% to 64.5% completion rates.  TDs and yards were down but it was off of 3 less games so it's really close.  

He also took plenty of big hits in the pocket and got right up.  His only injury in college was due to a weird angle he got tackled at that strained his shoulder. 

Stroud had more variance year to year which is indicative of the WRs on the team having a greater effect on him, but I mean, it was the best WR room in CFB so of course they'll have an effect. However after Wilson & Olave left, S-N was out all season, it was just MH Jr. & Egbuka.   Yeah, still better supporting cast, but 2021 was supremely better.  His completion rates were still higher than Bryce and what's even more impressive is that his avg y/a were around an entire yard higher than Young.  CJ is damn accurate.  

The short: They're both damn good

"just marvin harrison jr" you mean a future top 5 overall pick?

8 hours ago, Puresteel55 said:

When a play breaks down and Young tries to “make a play” is when he gets blindsided like Romanowski did to Collins and Watt did to Cam…and they were BIG men comparatively. 
Brees was a pocket passer and had a long career. Cam was a “playmaker” and had a relatively short career. BIG “playmaker” - short career. SMALL “pocket passer” -long career.

Young is a SMALL “playmaker” = Recipe for disaster and very short career.

Stroud is a BIG pocket passer = potentially very long career.

Agreed that Stroud needs to be a LITTLE more of a “playmaker” and use his legs a bit more and that can be taught.

physical limitations that can not be overcome will make it very difficult for Young to be effective from the pocket.

 

crazy cause watt said it himself that bryce youngs size is not a factor https://twitter.com/JohnHCrumpler/status/1636801682347524110?s=20

17 hours ago, tecc86 said:

Justin Herbert

willing to bet herbert will never win a chip

18 hours ago, ncsfinest21 said:

McCown has played QB and so has Reich. They know what they need and its Stroud.

charles johnson and steve smith dont seem to see a problem and they had better careers than both those guys

21 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Everyone and their dog has seen that Georgia game 1000 times. If that’s the Stroud we’re getting then yes, I’m taking him over Young but is that who we’re getting? 
 

There are 2-3 times each game he uses his legs and makes plays. If he ever started doing that consistently then oh boy 

kid couldnt beat michigan either year to save his damn life idk why georgia game is even considered he lost that 

22 hours ago, OldhamA said:

I mean technically you could also argue that yes, Stroud threw to two 'top 11' WRs in 2021, but his stats didn't fall off very much in 2022 when they left. 

It wasn't a case of Clausen at Notre Dame being carried by Golden Tate and Michael Floyd (and Kyle Rudolph). 

And yes, I know he's still throwing to a talented cast. 

his wide recievers never left bro wdym kid has a top 5 overall pick wr marvin harrison jr and njigba whos top 3 reciever and couldnt even beat his rivals michigan to save his life

22 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Stroud “struggled” with pressure earlier in the season. His rating under pressure still isn’t terrible it’s just a good bit lower than his highest in the NCAA rating when he has a pocket. In fact his overall rating was the highest in the NCAA even including the under pressure rating. Later in the season when he actually got accustomed to having some pressure he did much better, just check out the UGA game. 

he couldnt beat michigan to save his life let alone the georgia game where he lost w 2 top 10 wide recievers and first rounders on o line, 2021 bryce had that and smoked georgia 41-24 ended the game in victory formation too