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45 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

Morgan better address DE and LB next year... The offense has had so much investment

ILB, DE and other BPA on days 1 and 2. QB and RB on day 3 and other picks BPA. 

25 minutes ago, Mike2.0 said:

Cam was very reliant on being one of the best athletes on the field. His athleticism was a huge part of his success. Favre took a beating, sure, but he relied on his arm. Did Cam evolve enough as a passer for that to be his go to rather than his athleticism?

Cam’s rookie season was his only above 4k and his MVP was the only season above 30 passing TDs. Josh Allen plays in a similar way, but he has been far more prolific as a passer and should age pretty well if his athleticism starts to wane. I’m not sure how Cam would have faired had his athleticism started to regress. 

Ridiculous take from someone who never watched our offense consistently. Rivera and Shula held Cam back as a passer, he never relied on his athleticism.

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

it still gets really weird when folks want to not isolate numbers for backups that enter a games and log 0 pass yards.  It distorts all of their stats if you compare them to actual starters. 

Shough is 4-3 as a starter on a very bad team.  In this starts he is:

68% for 237 passing yards and 19 rush per game. 9 TDs.  6 TOs. 

That's dang good play for a 2nd round pick thrust into the role midseason on a bad team.  It flat out is what it is.  

Shough flat out deserves some props.  If folks here can't do that, it's just Saints hatred or Bryce insecurity preventing football talk.  I mean, he is producing.  Carrying a big load and winning.  In the type scenario people use to justify excusing Bryce's entire rookie year (minus the playcaller, Shough has that)

ALL THAT SAID, he is too late to the convo.  It's a 2 man race.   Last 2 games likely decide between the WRs. 

 

 

I brought up games played because of how few he’s played so you further my point with the “backup” games. Ok yards go up from 190ish to 237 average, still not some amazing average. They’re pretty pass heavy.

Don't get me wrong he’s had a good rookie season, especially for a 2nd round pick. That doesn’t mean he should be anywhere near OROY discussions.

1 hour ago, Mike2.0 said:

Shoulder, yes, but my point was that his superman style was going to catch up on him. Players don’t take that kind of hammering and play twenty years. A true pocket passer that can protect themselves has a far greater chance of having a lengthy playing career.

I know you're referring to Cam's running but having watched both players' long careers I can tell you right now Brett Favre took wayyyyyy more of a beating over the years than Cam did in his career. And yet he has probably the most ridiculous record in all of sports with his ironman streak. Injuries come down to luck and genetics more than playstyle. Allen plays the same way Cam did and has been one of the healthiest QBs in the league with no signs of that changing any time soon.

This shouldn't even be a discussion, lol. Shough has less than 200 yards per game, less than 7ypa, 7 TDs to 5 INT and has only even played 9 games. He could throw for 10 TDs and no picks the last 2 games (which he won't do) and he still wouldn't be deserving of OROY.

On 12/22/2025 at 9:01 AM, TD alt said:

Yeah, but Ace-hole is trying to call people out for "hating," and actually rooting for Bryce to fail. Huddlers, unless they're just stupid, aren't actually rooting for Bryce, XL, Evero or anyone to actually fail, they're actually rooting for the opposite. That's what Joe is saying.

You can criticize players, even to the point of wanting them "upgraded," without wishing that they fail. Love and hate, criticism and praise, are not necessarily a static propositions either. 

At the end of the day, Bryce has been clutch this season at times. He's played like sh¡t at times as well. I try to live in reality. I don't think Bryce is going anywhere based upon perceived improvement. If you gave me a button to eject him, I'd probably push it with little hesitation, as I don't believe that our offense should be limited by his physical inadequacies, but I'm not the one in charge. Knowing human nature and the FO, I can easily see them giving Bryce (Evero and even Legette) another season. With that being highly probable, I think we should target a young free agent with some upside that has shown incremental improvement (e.g., Trey Lance or Malik Willis), and I'd also target Drew Allar as a day three priority. This way, we can still push Bryce and have some back-up plans.

We agree here dawg. I'd love for Bryce to succeed as would all huddlers. I have not seen a single huddler hate Bryce for anything other than his play on the field / potential / skillset. He hasn't gotten any of the irrational hate having nothing to do with football that Cam got. And yeah I understood going into this season with Bryce again as there weren't a ton of options, but man we missed the fuging mark on upgrading at backup QB with someone who could actually push Bryce. Bryce had zero pressure on him with a 100% washed up Dalton being the only other NFL caliber QB in the system. That absolutely needs to change this offseason. Ideally with an actual starter upgrade but that seems extremely unlikely due to not having many FA options and a bad draft. But at the very least with someone like you mentioned, young/upside and/or day 3 pick in the draft.

Another note, we have a top paid and top performing OL, great young talent at WR incl. likely OROY, great RB group, average all around TE group, offensive coach with creativity in the system and good play designs (poor situational playcalling but still I put out current offensive coaching staff over Shula who held Cam back for instance). Not the absolute best situation for a QB to be in, but still a very good situation around him. And yet we have a bottom 8 offense (6th lowest points scored). Imagine taking a victory lap for a QB leading his team to the 6th lowest points scored in the league and the 22nd highest passer rating (despite being asked to do less than many other QBs; i.e. Bo Nix who isn't great either and has a slightly lower passer rating but Sean Payton actually lets him try to throw the ball deep and has him throw significantly more than Bryce). Crazy

Pro Bowl has been an absolute joke for like 15 years now. Absolute scrubs get in every year when the initial dumbass voting happens and more especially when damn near every player picked initially and many of the replacements back out. fuging Tyler Huntley was a "pro bowler." And Luke won DROY without making the pro bowl. 

So this doesn't surprise me one bit and I don't care about it either. 

52 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

You know who you are. Don’t enjoy this. You rooted against your QB. You don’t deserve an ounce of happiness. 

lol dude fug off you’d be posting this same thing if we lost but Bryce played the same. You’re more of a Bryce fan than a panthers fan

Canales has his flaws but overall all things considered he’s done more good than bad and I could see him continuing to improve and being a long term answer here. Bryce and Evero (both who Tepper made him keep) are hamstringing him though.

While it’d be great to sweep them for the division I hope we end it sooner with them losing to Miami and us upsetting the Seahawks

lol at Bobby Brown hugging baker after that. Get fuged you bitch

fug YOU BAKER!!!!!!!!!!! Let’s fuging goooooiooooooo!!!!!!!!

Great job Evero you fuging clown

Absolutely pathetic to let this scrub run for multiple 20+ yard runs in a game. So done with Evero

lol what a fuging moron. Glad the refs didn’t ignore it

1 minute ago, jopie87 said:

I want this to end with a Baker fumble. He has earned it.

Pick 6

Fitz was a really nice find so far

Just now, jopie87 said:

Coker is the number 2 WR. Easy. 

He and Tet are both fuging legit. 

COKER!!!!

lol I’ll take it

Just now, Hoenheim said:

They didn't get the BALL OFF !!! 

That has happened SEVERAL TIMES with the bucs they ALL NEED TO BE CALLED FUKCING REFS

Yeah they’ve had 4 or 5 obvious DOGs this game

i mean that was an obvious DOG but how the fug do they not call it until after the fuging play???

So sick of Evero. Pathetic defense in the clutch every single fuging game this year

Just now, Hoenheim said:

That sack ended this drive. oof. 

Rico can not pass block worth a dayum

Bryce turned the sack from 4 yard loss into 11 though. He has terrible awareness in the pocket

No flag there??? Lmao. Every time Bucs whine for one they get it and we never do