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3 hours ago, CRA said:

 

I will say this, XL does not play to his size though when a ball is up in the air.  He doesn't seem to actually have any sort of advantage for a contested 50/50 ball.  That's really a skill set more than size thing.  Some dudes just go up great. 

Yeah Smitty was like 5’9 and excelled at this. I don’t mean high jump balls but contested throws in general.

9 minutes ago, cranky said:

I think it is easy to spend too much time worrying about the physical tools, or lack thereof. I suppose Cam spoiled everyone here.

Manning didn't have the physical tools - maybe height - but nothing else. Brees didn't, Murray doesn't, etc. 

Manning had a hell of an arm. Bryce looks like he's putting everything his body has to offer into throws that go 15 yards through the air. And the height matters, as others have mentioned dude is jumping on half his throws.

39 minutes ago, TD alt said:

It's all good. I think that in general, we may be too impatient, but when you see some guys, like Bryce, there's just nothing you can do with them. 

Yeah, and the thing is I completely agree with you about letting QBs develop and sit and learn and I've been a huge advocate for doing that deliberately and being patient while ignoring the pressure to start a young rookie. I think the best way forward at the QB position is to get a somewhat established fringe or mid-tier starter vet in FA or trade and stick with him while drafting a QB relatively high and having him sit a year or even two. The Packers, and Chiefs method. 

But all that said, there are very very few examples of QBs who struggled in both their first 2 seasons who became legit franchise QBs. Guys like Darnold and Geno Smith are breaking that mold a tiny little bit, although jury is very much out on whether those guys are actual "franchise QBs" or guys who would be capable of winning a SB even in a great situation. But historically and even recent history suggests that if a QB doesn't look the part within his first 2 full seasons of starting then it isn't going to happen and you should just move on. And Bryce now very clearly has not looked the part into his 3rd season, and with a ton of investment on offense and a "QB guru" coaching staff. The excuses have completely dried up with him. It sucks but it's the reality Bryce fans need to accept at this point.

I don't know why teams who have been searching for their QB forever keep sticking with mediocrity for way too long. If they haven't shown franchise QB level by year 3, move on and rinse and repeat and draft another guy. Keep doing it until someone sticks. The other reality is that coaching and front office matter more in the big picture than who your QB is at that moment. Just look at the success Andy Reid had with Alex friggin Smith as his QB in KC before Mahomes showed up and the Eagles the last decade or so. The sole focus from Tepper should be on building out a steady and consistent top tier front office (who then hires coaching staff) who has a clear vision and plan for the team, including the future at the QB position. Not being hands on meeting with guys like Bryce and CJ before the draft and having dinners with their families, etc. I digress

There are very very very few silver linings on this team, and it's really just a handful of players. I have zero trust or confidence in any member of the front office or coaching staff, frankly.

5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

3 Team Trade...

Bengals receive Dalton from Panthers

Giants receive late draft pick from Bengals

Panthers receive Jameis from the Giants

Gives us a big fearless arm to eventually put into the lineup when Bryce gets hurt or sucks more, which will help us develop T-Mac, Coker, Brycen, Horn Jr, Sanders, Evans, and XL.

Tet with Jameis puts up 1400 yards

I was done with him the moment his hiring was announced. Completely bonkers decision to promote someone from the Fitterer front office. Everyone involved with any of those decisions under Fitterer should've been canned along with him for a complete overhaul of the room. Tepper is such a clown

He’s a joke and a terrible hire yet again from Tepper but I think he will get a chance next year with a QB he handpicks. Vet or rookie. But leash will be short next year

1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

I don’t care if you like Bryce or not. We can all agree XL needs to be benched. 

More than benched lol, just cut his ass. Probably the worst WR this team has ever drafted.

lol he runs right into the defender on 4th down to take a sack

Yeah that is obviously grounding. Bryce is fine during garbage time but now in meaningless snaps back to being by far the worst QB in the league

Roiughing the passer WTF somebody on this ref squad must have a ton of money on the Panthers

LMAO what a clusterfug of a game. Bryce is so bad but got bailed out there somehow

Got the onside kick conversion, no longer garbage time = Bryce Young turns to poo again

I'm SHOCKED it's that good. 

1 minute ago, FatChad said:

i never thought id say this but i miss marty hurney.  to think we could have parsons, jalen carter, and daniels right now makes me a sad panda

He wanted to trade up for Justin Herbert too

Can't help but just laugh at how terrible this team is.

fuging love Tet, so strong

Tet gonna be such a stud when he gets a QB

1 minute ago, Camp Fodder said:

Rhule teams were better than this

Night and fuging day. Rhule sucked don’t get me wrong but we were mostly competitive and watchable week in week out. 

Find it absolutely hilarious watching dudes celebrate a non-TD for like 15 seconds. Such an egregiously obvious penalty there and then for him to whine to the refs? lol pathetic

Dalton would at least make our offense watchable. We’d still suck and it wouldn’t jeopardize the tank. Bryce should’ve played his last snap for us 

Agree 100% and it’s really not even close

Lol

anyoen got a link for me?

Just now, Joe Bear said:

That would be pretty stupid to willingly forego any potential return simply to have the personal satisfaction of firing a player you don't like. 

It's not personal satisfaction because I don't like him. It's sending a message to every player, coach, etc. that if you perform like absolute poo consistently you will lose your job, period, end of story no excuses and no draft pick pedigree, etc. will save it. The fact that we went into this season with Bryce being plan A, B and C at the most important position on the team says it all about the culture of this team currently. Need a HARD reset, ASAP. But Morgan and Canales won't be the ones to do that.