Mr. Scot

Cards pick a GM... (interviewed with us when we hired Fitterer)

Bronco fans would probably like to see Russ playing here too.

I'm not convinced of either of those things.

As far as what would make me quit, it'd have to be something bigger than football. Ricky mentioned the team embracing Deshaun Watson. That's the sort of thing. Being bad at football is one thing. Being bad people is another.

As someone with experience mixing these two elements, I can wholeheartedly second this statement.

Might not be a smokescreen for us.

Johnson interviews Wednesday, plus one more Rooney interview is necessary.

And yes, this could be relevant if we hire a younger coach like Ben Johnson, Shane Steichen or one of the others.

Monken was OC for the Browns in 2019 alongside DC Steve Wilks.

I don't think Fangio's interview has anything to do with luring Payton, Harbaugh or anyone else. Nor does it need to. Fangio as a DC is worth checking into regardless of who your head coach is.

Couple of guys from the older crowd are getting a shot... In season, there was pretty heavy speculation that Dan Quinn's relationship with our primary front office guys might get him an interview here, but that didn't happen.

Yeah, well...

I'm not sure you wanna cite Russ as your primary example at this point

The Giants are just one example. Basic point is that it doesn't take plan modeled after the way Jay-Z built Rome in seven years.

Don't blame 'em for trying though. Maybe we should've done something similar with Sean McDermott

Dan Duggan of The Athletic wrote a recent article about the Giants staffing process after hiring Brian Daboll that raises some interesting points. From the article... Thomas McGaughey had been the Giants’ special teams coordinator since 2018, serving on the staffs of previous head coaches Pat Shurmur and Joe Judge. When Judge was fired after last season, there was no guarantee his successor would retain any assistants, so McGaughey had to explore other options. He was offered the special teams coordinator jobs with the Chargers and Panthers and declined an interview request from the Bears, but said, “I wasn’t real fired up about (the other teams), to be honest with you because I wanted to stay here.” McGaughey had no relationship with Daboll, who made an introductory phone call when he became a candidate for the Giants job. The night he was hired, Daboll called McGaughey. The interview lasted five minutes. “He was like, ‘OK, you’re in front of the room, first time you meet the team: Go!,’” McGaughey said. “He stopped me halfway through and he was like, ‘Look, do you want to be here?’ I was like, ‘Yeah, I want to be here.’ It’s been great ever since.” ... Daboll and Kafka had no history aside from six months together with the Patriots during the 2013 offseason. Kafka was a backup quarterback, and Daboll was returning as tight ends coach after a series of unsuccessful OC jobs away from New England. They worked together to learn and re-learn the Patriots’ offense. Kafka’s coaching career blossomed in Kansas City, but he knew there was always a ceiling there since head coach Andy Reid called plays. So Kafka took his first offensive coordinator interview with the Giants — he was blocked from interviewing for the Eagles’ OC position in 2020 — and the opportunity to call plays was appealing. “I loved my time in Kansas City,” Kafka said. “Was it easy to leave? No. But I know deep down in my heart this is an opportunity to grow and put your own stamp on it.” ... Graham’s abrupt exit forced Daboll to scramble for alternatives. He again cast a wide net, with Martindale, Missouri defensive coordinator Steve Wilks and Bears defensive coordinator Sean Desai emerging as the finalists who came to New Jersey for in-person interviews. Martindale unexpectedly became available in January after 10 years with the Ravens, including the last four as one of the top defensive coordinators in the NFL. Daboll and Martindale didn’t have a personal relationship, but there was mutual respect from their matchups as opposing play callers over the years. Martindale was playing golf in Florida when Daboll first called about the Giants’ DC job. “I was going to take a year off to play golf because I had a year left on my contract,” Martindale said. The opportunity to join Daboll with the Giants, who interviewed Martindale for their head coaching job in 2020, was intriguing. A Zoom interview quickly led to an in-person meeting. “They flew me up that night after I did the Zoom,” Martindale said. “I had nothing on but golf gear. I wore golf shoes into the interview. I had no suit and tie — nothing.” ... Martindale’s credentials were unmatched by the other candidates — three finishes in the top three in scoring defense in four seasons as a DC. His swagger meshed well with Daboll’s staff. And there was no questioning he was going to be in demand if the Giants dragged their feet. Daboll didn’t hesitate, and the Giants gave Martindale a three-year contract, a year longer than the typical coordinator deal. “Going against his system, it’s a challenging system to prepare for. Always had a lot of respect for him and how he did things,” Daboll said. “I thought Wink did a fantastic job and hit it off with all the guys.” ... “We’d come in, everybody works out in the morning; we grind and get taught the offense; we go to dinner, go back to the hotel and maybe have a cocktail and do it all over again,” Smith said. “It was paradise.” Giants at Vikings: Odds, expert picks, discussion for Sunday's NFC Wild Card game That’s exactly the feeling Daboll aimed to cultivate with his staff, knowing a strong chemistry among coaches would eventually cascade down to the players. ... “When you’re bringing people in, as a leader, you’re also looking at how everybody meshes,” Daboll said. “Because just as important as players are to team chemistry, I’d say the coaches are as important and they have to set the culture and the chemistry.” The results are impossible to dispute. Daboll took over a team that was tied for the worst record in the NFL over the previous five seasons. A salary cap mess and a depleted roster didn’t portend instant success. But the leadership of Daboll and his staff has guided the Giants out of the abyss and back to the playoffs. “The culture here is so strong and the vibe is so different,” McGaughey said. “The players feel it. They know when the coaches are tight together and they know when the coaches aren’t tight together. I truly think the reason we’ve had the success that we’ve had is because we’re so tight-knit. Guys don’t blink because they like each other. They genuinely like each other and fight for each other. It’s just different. It really is.” ... Full text of the story can be found here (subscription required): Inside Giants coach Brian Daboll’s ‘genius’ process for assembling all-star staff Staff building in the NFL has typically been a "who you know" proposition, but Daboll didn't strictly go that route. He certainly wanted and hired some guys with whom he had some level of familiarity, but his guiding principles were competence and chemistry rather than familiarity. Basically, it was more important that you be good at your job than that you be friends with the coach... ...and it worked. Other NFL teams have noticed, and it's one of the reasons you can see teams doing interviews with outside assistants (like Fangio. Manuel, etc) who don't necessarily have any connection to their head coaching hire. Mind you, that's easy enough to do when that hire isn't determined yet Will our next head coach consider this option? Maybe. Guys who have spent years trying to get a head coaching position have typically given some thought along the way to who they'd take with them, and it's a perfectly legitimate approach. But the success that Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll have brought to the Giants by going "outside the box" is certainly something to think about.

So his relationships with with our GM and Assistant GM are meaningless? Sure... I know there's a lot of theories around Fangio (including ties to Ben Johnson and Shane Steichen) but I'd say people should probably loosed their tinfoil hats.

We're also interviewing Marquand Manuel. Who's that related to?

Why would you do that to yourself?

Nada

i think that's a lot of us.

There's usually one domino, and then the others start falling fast.

How many unsuccessful teams was Bill Belichick a part of before the Patriots? Likewise, Kliff Kingsbury and Sean McVay both coach in the NFC West. Does that make them similar? Pretty much all of that is a huge reach.

Different actors involved here... I have no doubt that Dan Rooney (the guy who created it) intended for it to have a positive effect. The league itself and other owners? That's where the questions begin. Politicians have understood for decades that you can all too frequently get away with looking like you're doing something even though in reality you might not actually be doing anything. Pretty sure that principle is very well known inside the NFL/

No argument...