Mr. Scot

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I think Murray has always been an extremely talented athlete who just doesn't love ball. To be a good starting QB over the long haul in the NFL you pretty much have to obsessively love ball. But there will be a market for him. Every coach thinks he's the guy who's going to get through to these types of players but it almost never pans out. You can't coach want to anymore than you can coach talent.

"I can fix her!"

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

The price tag for Burrow would likely be an NFL record amount.

More than one analyst has theorized that Burrow might follow in the footsteps of Andrew Luck. 

1 hour ago, toldozer said:

If we go anything less than 2-1 down the stretch I can't see them picking up the 5th year option. Bring in a rookie and another vet and give it an honest competition. If they do that and are completely unbiased Bryce won't win the job

The belief among insiders, beat writers, etc is pretty much universal that they'll pick up the option.

As far as any sort of competition, wouldn't hold my breath

1 hour ago, toldozer said:

Would the dolphins cut him and eat an ass ton of money this off-season?

From what I've read, that would put them in cap hell for years

Meanwhile...

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

And they're bypassing Zach Wilson to go straight to rookie Quinn Ewers. Makes sense. I think everyone has accepted at this point that Zach Wilson isn't panning out as a starter, might as well use the last three games to get a look at the rookie.

Heck, maybe he plays better than Tua and helps us

Yeah

Tua is being benched...

25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I doubt it. I mean, the Chargers probably kept track of those types of stats at the time but I don't even know if they'd still have them at this point. There's just way more metrics being tracked these days than there were 20+ years ago. At least in terms of public availability. I'm sure all kinds of metrics were being tracked in the past but they just weren't publicly available.

Yeah, it wouldn't exactly have been Next Gen Stats back in those years.

(Gen X Stats?)

3 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Dude is a raw dk metcalf.... a quarterback who can't see the middle of the field and doesnt have the arm strength to zip plants and deep posts isnt gonna do him any good.

He may have a DK Metcalf body but he's got a Plaxico Burress brain. 

2 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

I mean I'm an early millennial and we ran a lot of these concepts when I was in high school in the late 90s early 2000s its crazy how over simplified college ball has become.

Yeah, that's unusual. Was it a big high school?

I'm definitely not a fan of how dumbed down it seems like the NCAA has become. I've always acknowledged though that a college head coach's job isn't to get his players ready for the NFL.

It's to win games, and for that you gotta do what works. 

Just now, mav1234 said:

Bryce isn't why we lost on Sunday but if you'd have given him credit for a game winning drive had he actually done something on the last drive (and I would have) then in turn we have to acknowledge he didn't het it done this last Sunday when it mattered.

Canales and Evero were the guys I was looking at this past Sunday.

There was also an unusual lack of discipline from our players, No I think a lot of folks blame the guys in the black and white stripes more. 

Brandon Staley is definitely winning in head to head competition vs Canales so far.  Canales did a better job against him for about two and a half quarters but by games end our second tussle with the Saints for starting to more closely resemble the first one.

Not gonna bother rehashing how I feel about Evero...

11 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

I use it just to describe the PA/deep up/fade/corner and post...  those were pretty non existent kn the original spread.  

I think modern wise all offenses have a form of coryell now though as well as elements of Walshes spread.

From the 70s through the 80s and a while after you could define most offenses as either Air Coryell, WCO (Walsh) or Erhardt-Perkins.

The core philosophies of those systems are still around and I still use the terminology to describe concepys but I don't know that too many are strict adherents anymore.

Reid maybe. Harbaugh is an old school kinda guy and Greg Roman is his OC so I'd expect a heavy WCO track. Carroll is using Greg Olson out in Vegas if I remember correctly.

But yeah, with people style offenses being all but extinct at the college level, it's a tougher transition anymore... especially at quarterback and receiver.

(remember one GM saying something like most college guys vouldn't recognize a route tree to save their lives)

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

He was a threat. He looked amazing in limited play time, tho I did not get to see the bengals game because of Helene.

he just had mental health problems and now he’s out of the league. 

He could be a threat for maybe a couple of games, and not necessarily in consecutive order. 

These days I think he's more of a threat to himself and his career

5 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

A lot of Horns come in just 2-3 games the rest of the time the ball doesnt go his way much I will say i dont think many of his misses are in run support.... I feel its usually when hes shocked they threw it his way or missed a play on the ball

Or when we're playing the Saints

I don't believe he's had a bad season overall but the Saints (and especially Olavé) have kinda roughed him up. 

3 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

hmmmm what postion is 100% dependant on the QB to have meaningful impact...... ill wait

Legette and Mingo's issues can't rightly be laid at Bryce's feet. 

12 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Indeed, and thats the thing he exells at the hybrid west coast spread/ air coryell PA shots that Canalles likes to take.

I'm talking more Walsh style WCO than Coryell.

I know they used to refer to Air Coryell with similar terminology but after Walsh blew up, I stopped hearing that term used outside of Walsh / Shanahan/ Holmgren and company. 

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Saying the right things in front of the camera at a holiday event for kids....doesn't mean poo lol  

We have 2 pro sports teams and his business dealings to actually judge Tepper off of.  Nothing says he is going to let a losing coaching (with no history of doing anything) start from scratch at year 4.  And again, that extends way beyond Tepper to other teams at that point.   Coaches don't get that sort of time in today's world. 

you just want to argue things at this stage because none of that is rooted in what we know if Tepper. 

Uh huh

Let's just say in some of our prior conversations, what "we" know of Tepper hasn't exactly panned out on any consistent basis. 

PSA: In the interest of clarity, the above reference is not meant as a direct comparison between Christian Rozeboom and Junior Seau.

...

(I'd like for that to go without saying but my experience with these sorts of conversations, including today specifically, suggests that a disclaimer is warranted)

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Missing 25% of your tackle attempts is wild. 

I wonder if there's an official tab on how many Junior Seau used to miss.

That was one of the bigger knocks on him back in the day.

20 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Lmao he’s on the leadership council 

The thing that makes him stand out so bad is that he is just sprinting every single time and when he misses he’s not even close.

The guy is amazing at physical comedy. A modern day Buster Keaton. 

I mean, you can get away with a "straight line" style linebacker under some circumstances. 

I don't think we use him under those particular circumstances though, so...

7 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

I mean we are limited in our options realistically, Howell is a Baker esque player who put up 4k and 22tds in his one year starting... with no weapons and a horrible oline. Oh I'm sure out the gates he wouldnt have a chance vs teppers golden brycey but if we stumble out he gates again Canales may injury list him again to try and save his job.

A big part of my interest in Howell is skill set. He's best suited for the kind of WCO style attack we use. 

I don't think the team would give him a shot to start barring injury, but you can never say what'll happen. 

(had Drew Bledsow stayed healthy, Tom Brady might be back in Michigan coaching high school football)

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I mean his own coach just blew up the narrative that he was big enough and wasnt limiting the play calling.  His own coach, who like I said earlier, has some some wacky ass poo all year.

Eehhh, again not really. 

Canales said he doesn't like using Bryce in QB sneaks due to his size. It's a stretch to call that , "limiting the playbook". 

All that said, bring back Robert Hunt, get a better center next season, keep the rest of the line healthy... hell, I'd volunteer to trot my cane using / sub 200 pound / damn near 60 year old ass under center for a sneak

(Canales probably wouldn't put me in though)

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

If he was 5'9 and 180 lbs he wouldn't be a NFL tight end because he isn't capable of playing the position to its maximum potential due to physical limitations. Catching a pass is irrelevant because he is physically incapable of performing half of the position requirements. 

Metaphorical comparisons never seem to land successfully in this forum

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

we are comparing Bryce to Brees again 

Holy fuging poo this magic

Except he's not. He referenced Brees and Wilson in reference to the ages at which they started trending up. 

Oddly enough though, both Brees and Wilson share a similar playing style (i.e. "point guard" type WCO distributor).