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It's hard to account for scheme. I think you default to ignoring it when you compare because sometimes those players were great in thoss schemes because they fit them perfectly(Norman being an example).

That's another stellar pair. I will take a look at them too. I think I will try to do the best "pair" season versus this season that Horn/Jackson are having.

I mean, other than being the 2nd most penalized WR in the entire NFL? Edit: Most if you count declined penalties.

I will take a look at that.

Long overdue, if so. I hope he is benched Saturday. I honestly hope this is the last we see of him in a Panthers uniform.

I think that is a symptom of his overall tackling issues this season. He really needs to buckle down and make that a priority to fix this offseason. If he can be a sure tackler, it elevates him to being much closer to a truly elite CB.

I would honestly rather healthy scratch XL and activate Renfrow at this point. At least he won't be actively hurting the team.

Willis would have never worked out here. Green Bay has a track record for developing QB's and we absolutely do not. Now, would I have taken Willis over Corral? Probably. I was also REALLY not a fan of Willis after seeing him several times in college. Had a ton of very bad habits for a prospective NFL player.

I need to do a side by side on that and see how their best compared.

The variety of penalties he has gotten flagged for is truly eye opening. He really is overwhelmingly our least disciplined and arguably dumbest player. It's bananas that he gets playing time.

In fairness to Ikey, he seems to be trending steadily upward. His penalties have been cut to 50% of his career average(5 versus the 10.3 career average) and although his sacks allowed are up to 5 this year, that is still below his career highs. I am far, far less concerned with guys like Horn or Ikey than I am Bryce. That's a real, immediate issue.

I had to add this to this thread after seeing it while looking at overall Panthers penalties for another thread. Xavier Legette has somehow managed to be tied for team lead in penalties taken this season. https://www.nflpenalties.com/player/xavier-legette-carolina-panthers?year=2025 He is tied for 2nd on the team in total False Start penalties. He has also somehow managed to get two Illegal Touching of a Pass penalties this year. To make clear how insane this is, he currently accounts for 50% of all of these penalties in the entire NFL this year.

I do realize that Horn has had some pretty underwhelming performances this season but this duo overall has played tremendously overall. Jaycee Horn 58 Targets(3rd Highest on Team), 27 Completions for 438 yds, 6 TD's, 5 INT(Tied for 2nd in the NFL), 46.6% Completion Percentage for a 70.9 QB Rating Allowed. 8 Pass Breakups(2nd Highest on Team). Negatives: Tied for team lead in penalties allowed, most TD's allowed through the area, 2nd most missed tackles and highest missed tackle percentage among starting players at 24.5% Mike Jackson 90 Targets(Highest on team), 49 completions for 660 yds, 4 TD's, 4 INT(tied for 6th in the NFL), 54.4% Completion Percentage for a 74.3 QB Rating Allowed. 19 Pass Breakups(Highest in the NFL). Only called for 2 penalties(1 declined) this season. Negatives: Most completions allowed on team, most yardage allowed on team Overall, despite some hiccups, this duo has been absolutely stellar as a whole. Is it the best we have ever had?

He is tied for team lead with 9 total penalties, 7 accepted. Hilariously, he is tied with Xavier Legette with the 9 total penalties. That's truly unbelievable.

I think the aggravating factors are how many long TD's Horn has allowed(team leading 6 TD's allowed) and also how bad his tackling has been(24.5% missed tackle percentage, 1st among starting players. Overall, his QB rating allowed is good. His completion percentage when targeted is low and he is doing well in PD's. Truthfully, Jackson has not been recognized for how great of a season he is having.

People have genuinely ignored the fact that Horn is having a very underwhelming season overall. The INT's are way up but a lot of the other metrics have not been very kind. He has had a disappointing year overall by his standards.

Steelers vs. Ravens is a bit of a slap fight too. Neither of those teams is going anywhere.

The draft position is completely irrelevant to us without being serious about wanting a starting QB in the 1st and win or lose we aren't in that position of the draft, regardless. Our draft struggles are always evaluation and not position based. We should be able to get a very good player anywhere from 16 to 32, provided we evaluate properly. Win the game. Why? How about fug the fuging Bucs and their fair weather, Brady Jersey wearing retard fans? Bragging about being the shortest midget for years now. fug them sideways. Win. The. Game.

He is frequently out of position and frequently misses tackles with a 12.3% Missed Tackle Percentage and leads the team by a huge margin in total missed tackles. He is genuinely one of the worst linebackers we have ever had. Yes he has a lot of tackles but he makes very frequent mistakes and plenty of those tackles are pursuing when he has already fuged up at least once. Great athlete but he is a special teamer and not an NFL starting LB.

Currently his progression has only been visible in terms of passing TD's/TD% and completion percentage. Almost all other stats are basically at career norm levels. In fact, he will have to throw for 134 more yards in the game Sat. to just eclipse his season high passing yardage total of a paltry 2877 yds(his rookie season).

I will root for Atlanta to do the funniest thing ever.

This obsession with the one handed catch is absurd. Not saying he isn't capable but you have to try and get two hands on the ball in more of the scenarios.

Wallace should really predominantly be a special teams 2nd or 3rd string LB to develop for a while. He is really quite bad. Not Rozebum bad but not much better. I don't blame Wallace. He was always going to be a project player and he was forced into action far, far, FAR too early and the continued reliance on him is criminal roster building at ILB. Eventually, just like at starting center, you have to try to improve the position through the draft. We keep passing on Pro Bowl/All Pro caliber LB's outside the 1st round in draft after draft(sound familiar?). This cannot continue.

Aside from TheSmallKat's cringey, insane post, I think the game next Sunday is about who is prepared to poo their pants harder. Currently, Tampa has reached 1-7 in their last 8 games pants shitting, including losses to Miami, Atlanta, New Orleans and us. They are also 3-4 at home. So, basically blown out of diaper up the back and into the hair level pants shitting. For us, our pants shitting has been at a 4-4 record over the last 8 games, including losses to the Saints twice. We are 3-5 on the road this season. So, we have filled the diaper with some mild leakage.

Cherelus is definitely better than Wallace but that's a pretty low bar. I honestly think that Evero just has absolutely zero idea what a good starting ILB looks like. Or an EDGE for that matter.