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I think he is beyond any sort of coaching help. He couldn't dedicate himself enough be a decent college football player until five years into his career, apparently. At the rate that it's going, he would be close to the end of his career when the light finally flips on. It's best to move on. Let him be someone else's problem and focus on getting NFL players on the field.

I again disagree but this literally has nothing to do with XL. He was just as bad in snap one as his last snap of the season. If anything, he kept getting worse. That's not a practice issue. That's an issue with motivation and ability.

The amount of people in this thread that know nothing about NFL free agency rules is simply astounding.

Yeah, that probably matters for 2-3 games of the season. If that is the difference between anything significant happening in your season or not, perhaps your team just wasn't very good? I don't think we will agree on this subject. I just generally view this as fairly insignificant.

Ah, we have the core of the issue. Someone not using their brain and just simply looking at the league rules. The dumbing down of humanity keeps increasing.

Yeah a returner with 74 catches, 1207 receiving yards and 7 TD's in his career at the point he was named a Pro Bowler. But since you don't think that matters, he was also a first team All Pro that season, as well. You can dig this hole as deep as you want but I have no idea what the point of this is for you. Just to be as wrong as possible as many times as possible? This is literally much ado about nothing.

UFA's are players with four or more accrued seasons and an expired contract per NFL rules. Also, holding out means Coker does not accrue any more time, also per NFL rules. He is indeed correct that he would be an ERFA. This is why you don't see hold outs. The rules literally don't allow it to work at all. It would be career poison. https://operations.nfl.com/inside-football-ops/nfl-operations/nfl-free-agency/types-of-free-agents/

Lol. I am pretty sure there has never been an ERFA hold out. It's a completely insane thought to even have. Shaheed was a literal Pro Bowler and didn't do such.

Well part of that is less preseason and part of that is shifting towards not playing many starters in the preseason. It's also a longer season now and those early struggles aren't that significant in the long term.

You are generally inventing a scenario that there isn't any actual precedent for, nor would this scenario help Coker. Also, I don't think you are going to see anywhere near the compensation that Shaheed received and that was a 4th and 5th. Ya'll need to calm down. Coker will be back under a very, very, VERY cheap deal and then we will move forward from there. Ideally he keeps getting better and he eventually is worthy of a very large deal.

I would generally disagree with the "quality of play declining." I think that's just something people try to claim because the league changes or doesn't look the same as they remember it from some period of time they most associate with. The league is cyclical, it always has been. You just may not like the cycle it is in. There is no great crisis. Yes there are some issues with some players in college but it's not anything that has caused massive swaths of NFL Drafts to be unusable. That would be what you would expect if this was a real issue.

Hold out for what? They aren't required to pay him anything if he doesn't sign it, nor can another team sign him. That would be a very bad look for a guy that is just starting to get his career off the ground. If he is smart, he keeps the length of the deal very, very short(ideally 1 year) and he bets big on himself.

It's rare for UDFA's to get to the point that he has but I will point out that Shaheed was significantly more successful and he still had a modest 2 year, $6.185 mil deal as an ERFA.

Certainly. I believe Morgan even mentioned trying to get something worked out. I don't anticipate it to be anything significant in terms of length or amount. There really isn't any precedent for that that I am aware of. IIRC, that Shaheed deal was considered quite large for an ERFA.

Holding out just means you sit out a year and don't get paid. They don't technically have to negotiate with him at all. ERFA's have zero leverage. Coker has very, very, VERY little because he cannot afford to simply sit out a season. It harms his career significantly more than it helps it. Keep in mind, although we all love Coker tremendously that we are talking about a player that also has less than 900 career receiving yards and 7 career starts. It's not likely the rest of the NFL views him as anything much.....yet.

NFL WR's have a very narrow window to get big contracts, accepting a very small, long term contract as a projected starter(remember this is a projection at this point) shortens your payment window tremendously. The best idea if he indeed is going to be a FT starter next season, is just to simply sign the 1 year tender at league rate. That means he can get to far bigger paychecks far sooner. It will be interesting to see how it goes down.

That wouldn't improve much of anything. At the professional level, you are expected to be a professional and work on your own development. It's an investment in yourself. Almost all elite NFL players and most NFL players spend ample amounts of time working out with their own coaches, doing their own film study and developing themselves. The issue at the NFL level is very rarely anything to do with practicing with the team. The guys you are talking about are practice squad players with little NFL future. The investment in time would be meaningless in 99.99% of the cases.

It's very likely that he and his agent would immediately reject that offer. They would be more likely to reject that offer than they would the exact same deal Shaheed signed.

There is little to no chance that the Panthers are going to make NFL history by signing an ERFA to a massive contract or a long term contract. That's not the way ERFA's work.

Will likely get a deal similar to Shaheed in NO. Shaheed was a Pro Bowler and more productive overall than Coker has been at the same point in their careers. His deal was 2 years, $6.185 mil in 2024. I wouldn't be surprised to see Coker somewhere around that if not a little more. I would be surprised to see a long term or large deal with this contract. I suspect it will be a short term contract at a low price and his next deal will be the big one(provided he keeps improving). Historically, UDFA's take a lot longer to get their big contracts and generally make significantly less career money for some obvious reasons.

Day 3 practice on NFL Network now.

I suspect he does not spend nearly enough time attempting to hone his craft. Not as much time as he spends honing his social media persona.

He is a very Evero EDGE. Limited pass rush moves, very strong bull rush and very good against the run. Likely would never have more than 4-5 sacks/season here but a great edge setter and run stopper.

It's going to be very funny to see him have to deal with shell of Deshaun Watson and two PS QB's next season.

Brady is still essentially cheating to this very day in the NFL.