kungfoodude

Well, rubber up, of course.

I would love to see them. Haven't yet. This is a sinking and floating turds argument. Maybe just generally stay away from poo?

I would question that assertion. He stinks.

Probably some of both. I think we always had some leverage unless behind the scenes he had become quite vocal about wanting to leave. It's not like he was attempting to hold out or anything crazy. It's objectively pretty good value for an aging but still effective veteran in his last year or two of his career.

I really don't think it's a "stunted growth" situation. But really the #1 priority this season is to evaluate Bryce. So if the WR's are trash(not saying they are, hypothetically). I definitely don't want to be in a situation where we need another year to find out if he is "The Guy" or not.

I would say perhaps he did make his feelings known.

It's not a true pick swap because the years are different. They are trading lower third of the round picks for top 10 in the round picks, though. I would say they did win this trade.

The compensation is quite good for the player. The decision to trade seems foolish based on our situation specifically. Oh well. I guess it's ride or die with the young guns. If they end up dying.....not sure how this is gonna work out for the FO/Coaching staff.

Is 4.61 way slower than 4.53? because that was their combine 40 times. People give Evans credit for being far faster than he ever was. Elite speed was never why he was so great.

Probably would have to be a PS guy. OL room is actually kind of full.

I mean, you are sort of speaking out both sides of your mouth with that, right? So, one hopes we aren't treating these roster spots like lottery scratch offs. This is based in things the coaching staff have seen to believe these guys are worthy of the roster and have value to add. Not just "maybe this will work out." That being the case, the staff also believes that Moore adds more value than Renfrow. You can disagree with any assessment you want but it's pretty tough to make the "lottery ticket" argument work for Hunter Renfrow.

This isn't exactly a rare thing, though. This does happen on a lot of NFL teams with guys they just know and trust. Rightly or wrongly. Horn and Stephens are the ones that reallu made me think they didn't have a high value on Renfrow.

Not to mention he does have a lot of familiarity with Dave and Dan. I am not gonna throw a fit about Moore. Horn and Tremayne making it over Renfrow leads me to believe the Panthers did not value Renfrow nearly as highly as most thought.

Yeah, he does have the option to hold out but he is betting on himself. Ultimately, yes he could lose a massive sum of money....but he has also MADE a massive sum of money, even by NFL standards.

He doesn't have to sneak on there. He can sign directly. If he does not, I would gather this was never meant to be.

Evero guy. I am starting to wonder if we are actually gonna fire this dude.

I am not sure I would call $66 mil in a 2 year span, probably all guaranteed(depends on 2025), that much of a loss. The truth is, he might or might not have gotten that on the open market. It's hard to say. That is basically(assuming $66 mil) the 6th highest pass rusher AAV.

No, I think you might have missed the point.

By my count, like 5.

You know, some of the linemen from Cam's era would likely have started over a few of these guys(if not all). Gross, Wharton, Kalil, Norwell, Turner, etc. Plus Steve Smith Sr. for a short bit and DJ Moore too. That was always sort of the issue with that era of Panthers football, these things just never intersected at the right times. Also, the defense now is so incredibly much worse than it was then. That would have been a mess to navigate.

Get well soon, buddy.

No, he wouldn't. Chinn was here when we needed ILB's and he didn't use him for that. We had him as a reserve S. He isn't "an Evero guy."

I mean....if we couldn't find a use for Chinn in this defense, what are we going to do with TEMU Chinn?

Lol. Watch him stick around as an "Evero guy."