DeAngelo Beason

I've got us at 4 wins.

We'll see. It's not looking good for him right now, but I know if you actually watch the tape XL is getting himself wide open very frequently. Like more than anyone on the team. That's the hardest thing to do as a receiver. The other things come with timing and repetition, which neither Bryce nor XL have managed to establish with each other.

Madness.

Ocho seems extremely confident that XL has the tools. I agree. I still maintain that Bryce is making Legette look bad. Just watch the tape. His ball placement when throwing to Legette is abhorrent. They have no chemistry. It's on the QB to establish timing and he has yet to do so with XL. Receivers get "cold", and that's happened to Legette a few times where when he finally gets a decent ball thrown his way and he drops it. It's not an excuse per se, but it's very much the reality. I've seen the best WRs in the league suffer the same fate when they aren't able to establish a rhythm. If Bryce and XL sort out their timing, Legette is legitimately the most dangerous player on the team.

Luke and Cam were both victims of a team that utterly disregarded investing in an offense. Kuechly had to play with his hair on fire nonstop because the offense couldn't put up points. Our time of possession was right around 30 minutes on average, which was the lower middle of the pack for that era, and really bad for a team that was supposedly built for ball control. Kuechly had some hard miles racked up on him as a result, and it cut his career short. They consistently failed to invest in Cam Newton. It wasn't until he was already battered and beaten that they decided to start drafting weapons for him. He would still be the QB of this team had it not been for the leadership hanging him out to dry immediately after drafting him. We fielded one of the most pathetic OL groups and receiving corps in the game for almost a decade. Cam Newton was genuinely a force of nature to have achieved what he did with that offensive roster. In short, two of the very best (possibly THE two best) players in franchise history were victims of a draft strategy that blindly focused on defense (with several very bad misses), and tried to patchwork the offense year after year. If we'd simply invested a bit in the offensive line I believe the core we had could have competed for and won a championship or two.

You can hear how comfortable he is saying it and how easy it rolls off his tongue, and that's because I guarantee you he (and his many african american teammates) have likely used the word with each other frequently and for quite some time. In short, he's almost certainly been given a pass.

The NFL Pro Bowl has become one of the more disgusting, disgraceful events in all of sports.

I absolutely did not agree with the penalty for the hit on Davante Adams, but it is what it is.

Well, I could see why some wouldn't vote for him, given the cheating and all that. Brady, of course, will come out squeaky clean when the time comes despite his track record of cheating as well.

Yes. That same game where the QB had 160 yards passing. That's the game I'm talking about. The QB who can't carry his team, but instead has to be carried by his team. Yeah. That same game.

Top 3 instead of top 5??? Not sure how much resurging there is to do here. Those Saints games really must have soured you on him. Every dog has his day. Pat Surtain II got manhandled by Amon-Ra St. Brown. The unstoppable Parker Washington also torched him pretty good.

He actually had plenty of good flashes with us but he was absolutely thrown to the wolves. I said at the time that we had our guy but he need some talent around him. That ended up being exactly the case.

The sweep had a whole lot to do with a QB who couldn't eclipse 200 yards passing to save his life. I would argue that's the primary culprit. Plenty of blame to go around.

The thing is he won't be paid like a top 3 corner in another year. That's the whole point of locking those contracts in early. Also, I think he's very much in the conversation among the best in the game regardless of what he's paid. Chris Olave has his number for whatever reason. The best corners in the game almost always run into someone who's got them figured out. He pretty much dominated everyone else all season. When you factor in the nonexistent pass rush it only further cements his status as one of the best.

PFF is so weird. Horn being ranked 69th in their magical rating system is funny. Allowing 289 yards all season is preposterous. He's a monster.

The NFL isn't scripted. It'd be impossible for it to be scripted. What DOES happen, is blatant biased and incompetent officiating. I don't know if someone is in the pocket of the refs, or if they're just idiots, but it's the worst officiated sport in all of sport.

Sam was the only turd that floated in our offense. That should have been a sign that the potential was there. I advocated for keeping him and getting some talent around him, but Tepper and co held on to the delusion that they needed to draft a QB #1 overall.

I'm not really in the CJ "camp" per se... the point I was making from the start is just that he's far superior to Bryce. We'd be better off had we drafted him. That said, he's not a top tier QB right now and probably wouldn't be had we drafted him either.

No, he never threw 8 tds in a game. I feel like we're splitting hairs and are describing the exact same situation, but you're looking through the lens of recency bias. Either way, the original point remains the same. CJ Stroud is still far better than Bryce Young.

I'm not sure how old you are, but maybe you don't remember those early playoff games against the Pats where Manning was completely lost and had no clue what he was doing. We absolutely have seen Peyton Manning crumble in the biggest of moments PLENTY of times, especially early in his career.

No. When did I claim he did? I'll take the data of three seasons worth of games over two postseason games. I think, in fact, two random bad games in an otherwise fantastic start to a career is about the definition of an aberration in the context of football. By your logic Peyton Manning should have been shipped off back in 04 when he threw 4 picks against the Pats. There are countless other examples, of course, I could point to, but you (probably) get the point.

Bryce had his best season this year and it wasn't even remotely as good as Stroud's "worst" (2024, which was still a damn good season). His passer rating and efficiency were actually up this year compared to last. His yards and TDs would likely have been higher as well, were it not for missing three games due to injury. So he's actually improved his overall body of work. I don't see any trend downward whatsoever. I agree the playoff game was a meltdown, but I think that had much more to do with missing weapons and what appeared to be an injured hand. After his hand hit the center's helmet his accuracy clearly suffered. It was a terrible game, but I don't foresee it being as career-altering. In regard to the topic of the thread, I'd trade 5 Bryce Youngs for one CJ Stroud in an instant and never look back.

Schultz missed almost the entire game. I'm not talking about the skill group when healthy. I'm talking about the pieces Stroud was missing in the specific game against the Patriots.

This is the only correct response.

It's still CJ by a wide margin. BY has closed the gap, but the gap is still considerably large. Let's not forget CJ was without basically ALL of his weapons in this last game against the Patriots, and I'm pretty sure he had an injury. BY lost to that same Pats team by like 40 points. In fairness, a good bit of that was due to the defense. That said, BY was completely incapable of keeping us in the game. Mistake free football does not always equal good football. He still had a bad game.