Captroop

I believe in the Sales principle of "Get to No as quickly as possible." In the NFL it's get to "Bust" as quickly as possible. If Bryce can be "ruined" then we don't need to invest in him any further. The league isn't ideal, so we don't need a QB who need a perfect situation in order to be successful.

Start Andy for what reason? To try to compete? At 0-5 the season is lost and we don't have the talent or guts to rattle of a string of wins and try to make a post-season run. Start Bryce the rest of the way and let's see if he's got any fight in him. The absolute worst thing we can come away from a crappy season with is uncertainty. By the end of this god-awful, forgettable, and hopefully uncharacteristically bad year, I want to know if Bryce is the future, or if he was a misstep, and we need to start over again. Starting Andy, and just leaving us with questions as to whether or not Bryce "has it" leads to just another wasted off-season and sets us up for another lost year. It's tough, and we've definitely thrown Bryce in the deep end with weights on his ankles. But that's the situation. Now it's time to sink or swim.

So our QB we mortgaged the future and drafted #1 overall can succeed in an ideal situation with perfect coaching, exceptional skill position talent, and an offense that's built from the ground up up to cater to him specifically? Hmm. You know what out #1 overall QB sounds like? Any other QB in the league.

So the fans literally know better than our FO. That's not encouraging.

Finally something Bryce is good at! He's so tiny you have to go for his head to tackle him

Me too, bud. Me too...

I hate to say I told you so. We never should have traded up. We certainly never should have traded up to 1 giving up as much as we did. And we definitely shouldn't have drafted Bryce. Teddy, Sam, and Baker were never the problem and we should have rolled with them, and either groomed a future QB, or earned #1 overall. This team it literally a decade away from being relevant again. I'd say we should blow it all up. But we've irreparable hamstrung ourselves.

Yup. I had to miss this game because I gotta drive my wife to the airport. I think I'm literally going to have more fun doing that. The Panthers actually made watching the Panthers painful.

I'll say this on the subject: I want Bryce to spend an entire game going for chunk plays. I don't care if he leads the league in interceptions after this weekend. I want to see him throw the ball downfield. What I cannot stand is this rinky-dink 5-yard pass and screen nonsense. We suck, I get it. I'm not expecting miracles. I just want to see him stretch the field. I want to see if he can actually succeed in time and with better playcalling. And that's it. I'm checked out this week and am going to do something better with my time than watch, fully expecting when I see the box score it'll be more of the same. But if I see the stat line Sunday night, and Bryce goes for 350 yards, 0TD, 3 INT, I guarantee I'll watch next weekend.

This this this all day. The scouting staff needs to wear a LOT of what is going wrong with this team. Fitt gets the blame for making the pick, but this scouting staff are the ones with boots on the ground evaluating the talent and making the recommendations. How can people who do this for a living be so consistently wrong when guys who explode are taken later in the draft?

So, looking like we're giving the Bears #1 overall.

Do we really want to call it a return? It's more of a pre-departure.

I approve. I'm firmly in fug it mode. I can't be more disappointed in the team than I am now. So let's roll the dice.

I'll watch the Panthers if I've got nothing better to do. But I'm not setting aside time for this team anymore. The weather is too damn nice right now to squander another afternoon on cheap gameday "specials" on draft domestics and this quality of football. I'm gonna go play 18 holes.

Seriously. I think he called the Hail Mary play where everyone is just in a scrum in the endzone.

One thing that really stands out - and it sounds like a size bro complaint because it is - is Cam was so big, that defenders had to try to wrap him up around the midsection to get him down. That gave Cam the opportunity to try to make a play while being contacted. In the play at 1:22 in that video, Cam ends up making a throw with a defender wrapped around his waist like a tutu. I just don't see how Bryce will ever be able to make a throw with a defender hanging off him. Hell, I don't presently see how he can take a hit without fumbling.

I have to say, I'm really pleasantly surprised by how well some members of secondary have really stepped up. And there's a reason Chinn is the only jersey I've bought in recent memory. Guy is just a lunch pail playmaker.

The Herschel Walker one is genuinely fascinating. I want to read a book on how that went down.

I highlighted why I don't think it's as high in terms of being a bad trade, because the stakes were lower. They have a team brimming with talent. They could afford to take a swing on trying to hit on a franchise-changing QB. We have had a dearth of talent for years, traded away one of the few playmakers we had, and gave ourselves less capital to try to build with. We DEPENDED on Bryce hitting, where I don't think the '9ers did with Lance. I think the state of the team also needs to be factored in on a trade.

But they got multiple 1,000 yard seasons, a playoff run AND they got 2 first round picks BACK for Ricky Williams. I don't see how that trade can even be in the conversations for worst of all time.

I'd argue Ricky Williams was worse. New Orleans got multiple 1,000 yard seasons out of him, and ended up getting a 1st rounder back in a trade.

I'll admit I didn't know about this one. Yeah, that's a disaster.

We're on a message board for an 0-4 team, and you're about the publish a multi-page review of Bryce's game tape. I know you have time. I'm genuinely asking. What's a worse trade than a #1 overall that busts, considering how much we gave up?

I know it's only 3 games, so we can't know at this point, hence the "if." This is purely a thought experiment. I'm genuinely trying to think of a worse one, and I can't do it. Two firsts (and at this point looking increasingly like 2 top-3 picks), a second, and DJ Moore. That amount of capital doesn't seem like the kind of thing you take a flyer on. That's the certainty of taking a perennial All Pro, with a 10+ year career. If Bryce just doesn't pan out, have the Carolina Panthers earned the ignominy of making the worst trade in the history of the NFL? Please find a counter-argument. Please.

You really think Bryce could hurl the ball 60 yards through the air?