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the Panthers have played from behind the majority of the season boss. A the half and going into the 4th. we have a weak pass attack because we have a weak QB

2022 - Panthers are 1-5 - HC was fired the week prior - 3 days before the game CMC is traded to the 49ers. Full #1 overall tank mode in affect - PJ Walker is the starting QB and we are playing Tom Brady and the Bucs. So, obviously, we beat them by 17

We have the 25th ranked pass attack. 185 per game average. yeah, those teams suck too. But even the Jags and Saints average more per game putting up over 200 per game. Not saying they aren't bad. But saying we aren't a bottom pass attack is again.....just denial of reality and facts. And it's almost impossible to call the Jags bad....and not us lol. They also have virtually identical ground production per game. All that while putting up more points per game than us. real question is, what are you watching.

If I told you, you can pick from 2 QBs who are largely the same.....but one is going to fumble 10 times this season and the other 2....who is the bigger liability for their team? It's the fumbler. Recoveries are just lady luck and the ball bouncing. Fumbling the ball is a bad thing. It's like a QB who consistently throws really bad balls into the hands of defenders....but they drop them. Law of averages will get them in the end. this is why the Bryce defending gets nuts. He fumbles too much. Just a fact. A reality of having someone built like a middle school kid out there with walking monsters

Bryce "hate" would be substantially less on this site.....if Bryce Young gaslighting and hype wasn't what it was. I'm one of the biggest haters on this site. Am I making anti-Bryce threads? No, I'm largely just responding to folks saying we need to pick up his 5th year and fug this franchise, gaslighting of his deep passing ability, the pinning of some tremendous team wins around Bryce's neck when he is merely a role player, and on and on. If people acted like he was the Brenton Bersin of QBs than the haters wouldn't be talking much about him. But every day, we wake up to folks saying the worst QB in the NFL over the last 3 years with really whack physical tools is X, Y, and Z.

recovery is largely pure luck and how the ball bounces. Putting the ball on the ground at a high rate is a bad thing. Maybe QB A fumbles 10 times a year and QB B fumbles 3 times a year. QB B loses all 3 of his. QB A somehow has 8 of his recovered in a quirky year. QB A is still the bigger risk/red flag going forward. and again, Bryce has a high fumble rate.......and isn't holding the ball looking for big pass plays, willingly putting his body in play, carrying a large load on his shoulders, or big yardage producer. It's one of his clear negative qualities. Just a reality. At this rate, the Bryce squad is going to start arguing him being tiny is actually an advantage lol. and imagine if we play magical cherry picks with other players. Take the last 17 games. That would make sense. Season worth of games. Bryce has 6 fumbles lost vs CJ's 1 fumble lost. CJ while doing that, is carry a bigger load on his shoulders as well.

Draft position is doing a lot to work for the duo on offense

@CPantherKingjust did it perfectly above. I can’t do better than he did. You can find a fellow over the top Bryce stan conceding to it as well.

You moved the goalpost to last 3 seasons and then still used wrong numbers. Bryce has 11 fumbles in the last 21 games. Thats high. CJ has 5 in his last 21 games. Herbert has 4 in his last 21 games I quit fact checking after that. Hell, CJ only has 14 in his 41 game career.

lol, no. TMac wasn’t the 4th read. Someone else already explained it.

each of the last 3 seasons, he has been top 10 in bad throw %. But to his credit this season he isn’t the leagues worst/leader like the prior 2. I think ball placement is one of his biggest weaknesses to date. I think a lot of it is a vision/footwork issue in reality.

Well, in 2 seasons….how legit fug it deep balls have been offered to him? So, like the one thing we basically drafted him to be….isn’t on the table to really even gauge. but look, I’m just BSing with XL in this thread. Who the Panthers need to move on from is clear. 2 weak links on O are Bryce and XL. We basically got the rest in place

One place a raw dude like XL isn’t going to fit at all…..is paired with a weak QB that needs QB friendly WRs. I mean, when we drafted him it was constantly talked about how he didn’t fit with Bryce. Would he maybe fit a fug it all chuck it deep O? That would be about it for XL. Let the big boy have time to run downfield and let the raw tools do what they do. we overdrafted a raw WR for the Canales O but one that would be paired with a QB who didn’t fit either. Results are as expected IMO. AT, TMac and Coker have one thing in common. All are QB friendly. Easy to see why XL trails them all. Hell if Renfrow was 6’3 he would likely be a great fit too lol. But he lacks the size to be friendly enough

Hard to pull off a 200 yard game when your QB throws the ball 10 yards downfield only twice in a game. Apples and oranges. Bryce can throw a ball negative yards downfield and be gifted a 50 yard TD on the stat sheet. Doesn’t work like that for a WR reality is, a sane team would have enough info that BY and XL shouldn’t be thought of as the future but things to replace. But you must of got drunk a got a regrettable Bryce Young tattoo or something

I’ve been talking about the Panthers and putting things that don’t fit together for so many years at this point. Fit is more than half the battle in the NFL. Yet here we are acting confused.

I’m just old enough to have zero interesting in trying to wish players good… and it’s flat out entertaining watch the gymnastics on Bryce and engaging with those who do it. most things in life aren’t complicated. I’m not. Neither is figuring out Bryce is not why any NFL team actually wants

I'm just messing around and being stupid.

Yeah, you knocked XL. I merely afforded XL the same defense Bryce Young gets. Please get out of here, ignoring that fact XL through their first 27 games in Carolina he has found the endzone more than future HOFer Steve Smith, longest TD pass in Super Bowl history (at one time) Mushin Muhammad and the forever underrated #1 in your heart DJ Moore did through their first 27 games. So why would we ever think not extending XL. also, why do you hate the Panthers and winning. Because not supporting XL is basically not supporting Carolina.

this is Bryce fan fiction. Caleb Williams is out there completing passes few could attempt. Bryce Young was literally put in a chuck it downfield short yardage play scenario w/ man coverage. Canales crafted it. We have seen it multiple times this season. It's not some Bryce Young decision or special throw. It's a downfield lob vs man. He for the first time all season finally got one to drop of the vertical one to Coker. But it's not new.

you are missing the word as a starter. as a starter, he is averaging less in 2025 than in 2024. It's a technicality as he averaged 195.75 as a starter in 2024. But less is less. Those 2 garbage time appearances when Dalton got pulled late skews his 2024 per game number down. But if you are looking for non-technicalities, he is averaging basically the exact same yards per game as starter and ypa the last 2 seasons as a starter as the difference is splitting hairs.

PJ Walker had great moments. Great moments can be found for nickel and half eaten bag of potato chips.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/ click on charts on the top. it will do WR routes, RB runs, and QB passes

It's like they started on trying to work on Jimmy Horn and were like yeah, we can just run the same gadget look for him for the rest of the season. Development for year 1 is over lol. But Horn much like Renfrow doesn't fit a Canales O. The big 3 are really the dudes who should see the field.

Bryce Young had the same amount of touchdowns as he did pass attempts that went at least 10 yards downfield. 3.

Bryce is averaging less yards in 2025 than in 2024 as a starting QB. ypa attempt is virtually identical, as it's so close next Sunday can swing it under(as he has been under his average in most games this season).