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I think it’s Canales essentially having Bryce at this point throwing deep only in the most advantageous spots possible. can Bryce hurt a team in man coverage? Yes. Add the blitz? Odds go up. Add it’s a run scenario threat too? Odds go up. generally the attempts also seem to be factoring in if things go bad…..opponent doesn’t have a shot at good field position off it. They largely are endzone shots once in FG territory of late. Give Bryce zone between the 20s? Canales doesn’t seem to want to mess with that. Bryce does seem very managed at this point (not saying that’s good or bad but Canales seems to have settled in largely to a strategy of late). got to think defenses are going to counter soon because it feels like the shots are getting predictable of when we take them now. Defenses daring throws and Canlales now takes them at certain locations on the field. Think if you did a compilation of his last several big throws….there is a lot in common on many

Everything is relative. If Bryce was here in a PJ Walker role to just get us through this season I would sing his praises from the mountain top. but this season is almost over…..and important and impactful decisions wil be made. I’m tired of this team stinking. And some really random quirky season isn’t enough for me to forget what we are supposed to be striving for in the big picture. And this O doesn’t project to be on that path. So from my perspective, wanting to move on is the most pro Panther stance

I think given his physical tools and Carolina’s offense struggles/reputation…..some team would take him off our hands.

Shough can play….factoring he is a 2nd round rookie thrust into the gig on a bad roster. and we are debating him and Bryce Young. Not Bryce vs Drake Maye. If that’s not a red flag for you that it’s Shough we are talking. So be it. Giant one for me. Especially given the looming contract. holla if you want to know where you can find the stats you are confused about earlier. Not being a smart ass. Not just the stats for starts vs season totals. You can get the specifics on a QB for outdoors, dome, open roof. Early games, late games, night games. Vs division. It’s all broken down. No math and figuring needed.

The run game is getting more bottled up as teams have fixated on it. But we have still leaned on the run the majority of those game by modern standards. It’s just not as productive. Shough going for 1664 yards (vs that 1306 with less from his rushers) during that same 7 game stretch (despite Bryce getting his annual insane Atlanta explosion factoring in for him during that stretch which is his anomaly performance on the year). I mean, it’s not really debatable the Saints lean more on the pass than the Panthers. We have a better backfield. They are down to using their washed TE gadget guy as the lead back due to injury). unless things get weird or the game sort of naturally happens….the gameplan is leaning on the run in Carolina.

I’ve never seen the leash, excuses rationalization done for such meh QB play in Panthers QB history….to the extent done for Bryce Young. It’s not glazing Shough. It’s pointing out Bryce is giving you comparable level of QB play that is dirt cheap in the NFL….and we don’t need to get into a bad spot over that. Thats a hard pill to swallow….so you see it as Shough glaze

Convo isn’t one stat, number or thought. You keep projecting that. The TEAM has something to do with those TDs….because our pass attack is 26th in the NFL. How do you think we are moving the ball. Bryce isn’t doing a ton of lifting nor has a great deal on his shoulders in our offense. and he clearly isn’t very efficient by the majority of metrics we measure efficiency. Which gets into why Dave has ramped up his 4th down gambling that was overwhelming going our way but is going to even out in time .

and one is lead by 3rd year starter we are debating a contract and big decisions on soon…..and one by a rookie 2nd rounder thrust into the gig. which is the entire point. And we are talking Tyler freaking Shough. Not Drake Drake Maye Maye. Which is really the type QB that should be brought up. Actual good young QB play

No one is making any argument purely off of yards we also happen to be 27th in scoring and living in the same neighborhood as the Saints in that department and scoring % of drives. There QB doing more lifting moving the ball and our RBs factoring more.

I got no issue looking at common opponents in starts. But you couldn’t for example use Seattle after this weekend and say Bryce did X and Shough had 0 passing yards. Seattle represents a game that skews his small sample size. Jets? Tampa? Miami? Atlanta? Rams? That’s all would be relevant in a convo about those two. Seattle wouldn’t

Someone else claimed I said EVERY. Literally in my post breaking it down it gave Bryce TDs per game. Shough however has the majority in his favor if just looking at starts. whats subjective about comp %, yards, QB ratings and turnovers? Now I guess the argument one might make off them could be subjective. But all I’m saying is statistically as a starter he has been better this year overall. I don’t think Shough is great. I think he is impressive based on the situation. 2nd rounder stepping in on a bad team. And he like so many other QBs…..serves as little red flag going off about what we are doing here offensively.

Player A - 2 starts. 200 yards in each start. He averages 200 yards a game. Player B - 1 start. Throws for 400 yards. Comes in another random game and has 1 pass attempt on a Hail Mary to end the game that goes incomplete. Now given the random game he appeared for a snap, he averages 200 yards a game. Thats why you isolate starts. If you are talking starter vs someone who began as a backup. Simple made up numbers/situations to illustrate the point.

Starts vs starts is apples to apples. starts vs letting 4th and 3rd quarter appearances skew one persons per game stats and not the other is apples and grapefruits.

No worries. I didn’t. I don’t know what is hard to comprehend. You can just look at his starts vs literally any other QBs starts and see their production as a starter…. vs letting random late game appearances by QBs skew numbers QB rating is 91.6 in his 7 starts. No math is required on your part. Or mine. but I think what happened….is you are admitting you don’t have or know the numbers yet are arguing against them.

as a starter, Shough is better this year in all the aspects I shared with you. Facts. You disputed nothing I said because I’m talking starts and my numbers are right

every post you make, you start moving the goal posts. I talk about games as a starter. You just rant about season totals. I show where he is better as a starter....you demand where it shows he is better at EVERY category lol.

True. I think the Saints have done one thing for sure, they look to of hit on the coach. You see smart coaching in game. You see smart management of scenarios.

Bryce Young should only be talked about in a vacuum and compared against himself. if you talk QB play elsewhere or just offensive production elsewhere? You aren't a Panther fan because the Panthers won't be reflected well.

It's only made up in your mind because you choose not to read words. As starters in 2025. Comp % - Shough Pass yards per game - Shough Rush yards per game - Shough QB rating - Shough Yards per attempt - Shough TDs per game - Young Turnovers per game - Young Bryce is a #1 overall pick, year 3 starter. Shough is a 2nd round rookie nobody on a worse team. That my friend, is a red flag of a team doing it wrong. That team is us. and we shouldn't be talking Shough in terms of making BY look bad. We should be talking about the Carolina kid Drake "Drake Maye" Maye making us look really bad.

You don't seem to be a Panther fan. You seem to be a fan of a player. Me? I don't want bottom-tier offense for my team. Which is the entirety of the Bryce era. Both from a team and individual aspect. Being a Panther fan isn't about pretending Bryce is better than he is.

yeah, I think Egbuka was the slight betting fav going into last Sun. Tmac now jumped him. Tight enough Egbuka could jump back this weekend (Phins vs Hawks is a good setup for him to). So, I think the OROY is simply the result of the Panther/Bucs final. Pending one doesn't go ham in a losing effort I think the playoff team gets the OROY.

I mean, I largely spoke about Shough initially going into the week we played the Saints (and was right about why we needed to talk about him)......and now in a thread about OROY. Seems about right to me. You want to talk about Sam Darnold? I can do that because it would make sense to right about now as well.

well, last week he had 6 pass attempts over 20+ yards. Fair to say, he was consistently trying to keep the Jets honest in a game that was literally all on his shoulders from the jump given they are out of RBs in NO. the Saints managed a win despite putting Shough in the exact scenario you essentially guarantee to lose in w/ young QBs. Going all QB essentially w/ the gameplan. I do not think the film has had time to catch Shough yet. It will. Then you have to see if he can respond to that. But yeah, he is a pretty cool little story if you are largely a NFL fan/talker. I mean, if we had prime Cam Newton and no worries at QB.....I think the reaction to talking QB play in the NFCS right now might be a little different. Don't think people would freak out because the Saints hit a little streak and we compliment the dude from out of nowhere (and the out of nowhere part is basically why it's talked about)

I give zero shits about Tyler Shough. I do think it is relevant to see where in our own division a random 2nd rounder on a worse team.....is presently outplaying our #1 overall pick in his 3rd season. And of course, if you are talking about rookie play....yeah, Shough deserves some props. Which is why I also keep bringing up Fannin Jr. They deserve some mentions given they have virtually a zero % chance to win because they came out of nowhere vs favorites/media darlings at their spots and are late to the party. and outside of what you are trying to do here....I think most know my Shough posting is really Bryce Young posting. It's getting to the Bryce issue via another channel.

agreed. Lack of games/opportunity makes him a non-factor in OROTY talk. He is just now getting the stage where there is legit film on him. Takes awhile to really see how guys react to all the different scenarios and to find the real weak spots on a QB's play in an O.