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Teams can win in spite of bad offense. In spite of bad defense. In spite of bad ST. In spite of being weak at corner. In spite of weak WRs. In spite of weak QB play. like I said, what is taking place is the unique cherry pick where some fans say we can't state the obvious reality about the QB spot. But look at Atlanta! But look at these 3 throws in this game he was treated as a backup for every single other snap! Exceptions don't make the rule or change the big picture. I have seen lots of your post, I don't recall you rushing to Philly Brown's defense when it was just matter of fact stated Cam Newton won NFL MVP/went to the Super Bowl despite a weak WR cast. The entire board universally agreed the weak link to that roster was what it was. I would reckon if I searched hard enough, I could find you making the same matter of statement that teams do in fact win in spite of very clear weaknesses.

I don't disagree. Hubbard got often too patient. Wonder of he adjusted because he did hit some holes much more like Rico does Sunday.

I still think in the grand scheme, it's better to let either Hubbard or Rico operate in the lead position. Both are just flat out best with volume. I think the 50/50 split over the course of an extended window limits how good the rush can be any given Sunday.

it's 2025 and Bryce is the #1 overall. a 3rd year player that is supposed to lift those around him. There is no huge development curve in today's NFL. Offenses and throws are now simplistic. He has great OL play and a great rushing attack. And it's bottom tier production form him. It's just excuse making for a player that overwhelming lacks the tools you want in a NFL QB that doesn't do any of the things he was billed at. Drake Maye leads the NFL in passing yards. With a meh OL. A meh rush attack. One good WR yet problem child WR that is probably 4th on the team in getting into the endzone. Bryce Young is a literal anomaly in the NFL. We have seen for 3 years as to why .....yet the the gymnastics are never ending. We are winning in spite of him. Which is all the more reason a young and overachieving team should address such an issue.

I don't think it's discounting wins if you look at your team that manages to overachieve and point out what they are overcoming. People generally are cool w/ that mostly. It's basically cherry picked when you can and can't do it by fans. This season is really weird. It's not discounting wins to point out how weird it is and that there really isn't some formula we are executing each week. It's just a collection of sort of oddities. Some seasons you just have weirdly good or bad luck. It's in our favor this year. The hope is you get the good juju in a year you also happen to be a good football team.

Well, the care….is about having a weak pass attack in the modern NFL. Which we have. And being weak there is largely going to make you overall irrelevant outside of some quirky season.

the Panthers have played from behind the majority of the season boss. A the half and going into the 4th. we have a weak pass attack because we have a weak QB

2022 - Panthers are 1-5 - HC was fired the week prior - 3 days before the game CMC is traded to the 49ers. Full #1 overall tank mode in affect - PJ Walker is the starting QB and we are playing Tom Brady and the Bucs. So, obviously, we beat them by 17

We have the 25th ranked pass attack. 185 per game average. yeah, those teams suck too. But even the Jags and Saints average more per game putting up over 200 per game. Not saying they aren't bad. But saying we aren't a bottom pass attack is again.....just denial of reality and facts. And it's almost impossible to call the Jags bad....and not us lol. They also have virtually identical ground production per game. All that while putting up more points per game than us. real question is, what are you watching.

If I told you, you can pick from 2 QBs who are largely the same.....but one is going to fumble 10 times this season and the other 2....who is the bigger liability for their team? It's the fumbler. Recoveries are just lady luck and the ball bouncing. Fumbling the ball is a bad thing. It's like a QB who consistently throws really bad balls into the hands of defenders....but they drop them. Law of averages will get them in the end. this is why the Bryce defending gets nuts. He fumbles too much. Just a fact. A reality of having someone built like a middle school kid out there with walking monsters

Bryce "hate" would be substantially less on this site.....if Bryce Young gaslighting and hype wasn't what it was. I'm one of the biggest haters on this site. Am I making anti-Bryce threads? No, I'm largely just responding to folks saying we need to pick up his 5th year and fug this franchise, gaslighting of his deep passing ability, the pinning of some tremendous team wins around Bryce's neck when he is merely a role player, and on and on. If people acted like he was the Brenton Bersin of QBs than the haters wouldn't be talking much about him. But every day, we wake up to folks saying the worst QB in the NFL over the last 3 years with really whack physical tools is X, Y, and Z.

recovery is largely pure luck and how the ball bounces. Putting the ball on the ground at a high rate is a bad thing. Maybe QB A fumbles 10 times a year and QB B fumbles 3 times a year. QB B loses all 3 of his. QB A somehow has 8 of his recovered in a quirky year. QB A is still the bigger risk/red flag going forward. and again, Bryce has a high fumble rate.......and isn't holding the ball looking for big pass plays, willingly putting his body in play, carrying a large load on his shoulders, or big yardage producer. It's one of his clear negative qualities. Just a reality. At this rate, the Bryce squad is going to start arguing him being tiny is actually an advantage lol. and imagine if we play magical cherry picks with other players. Take the last 17 games. That would make sense. Season worth of games. Bryce has 6 fumbles lost vs CJ's 1 fumble lost. CJ while doing that, is carry a bigger load on his shoulders as well.

Draft position is doing a lot to work for the duo on offense

@CPantherKingjust did it perfectly above. I can’t do better than he did. You can find a fellow over the top Bryce stan conceding to it as well.

You moved the goalpost to last 3 seasons and then still used wrong numbers. Bryce has 11 fumbles in the last 21 games. Thats high. CJ has 5 in his last 21 games. Herbert has 4 in his last 21 games I quit fact checking after that. Hell, CJ only has 14 in his 41 game career.

lol, no. TMac wasn’t the 4th read. Someone else already explained it.

each of the last 3 seasons, he has been top 10 in bad throw %. But to his credit this season he isn’t the leagues worst/leader like the prior 2. I think ball placement is one of his biggest weaknesses to date. I think a lot of it is a vision/footwork issue in reality.

Well, in 2 seasons….how legit fug it deep balls have been offered to him? So, like the one thing we basically drafted him to be….isn’t on the table to really even gauge. but look, I’m just BSing with XL in this thread. Who the Panthers need to move on from is clear. 2 weak links on O are Bryce and XL. We basically got the rest in place

One place a raw dude like XL isn’t going to fit at all…..is paired with a weak QB that needs QB friendly WRs. I mean, when we drafted him it was constantly talked about how he didn’t fit with Bryce. Would he maybe fit a fug it all chuck it deep O? That would be about it for XL. Let the big boy have time to run downfield and let the raw tools do what they do. we overdrafted a raw WR for the Canales O but one that would be paired with a QB who didn’t fit either. Results are as expected IMO. AT, TMac and Coker have one thing in common. All are QB friendly. Easy to see why XL trails them all. Hell if Renfrow was 6’3 he would likely be a great fit too lol. But he lacks the size to be friendly enough

Hard to pull off a 200 yard game when your QB throws the ball 10 yards downfield only twice in a game. Apples and oranges. Bryce can throw a ball negative yards downfield and be gifted a 50 yard TD on the stat sheet. Doesn’t work like that for a WR reality is, a sane team would have enough info that BY and XL shouldn’t be thought of as the future but things to replace. But you must of got drunk a got a regrettable Bryce Young tattoo or something

I’ve been talking about the Panthers and putting things that don’t fit together for so many years at this point. Fit is more than half the battle in the NFL. Yet here we are acting confused.

I’m just old enough to have zero interesting in trying to wish players good… and it’s flat out entertaining watch the gymnastics on Bryce and engaging with those who do it. most things in life aren’t complicated. I’m not. Neither is figuring out Bryce is not why any NFL team actually wants

I'm just messing around and being stupid.

Yeah, you knocked XL. I merely afforded XL the same defense Bryce Young gets. Please get out of here, ignoring that fact XL through their first 27 games in Carolina he has found the endzone more than future HOFer Steve Smith, longest TD pass in Super Bowl history (at one time) Mushin Muhammad and the forever underrated #1 in your heart DJ Moore did through their first 27 games. So why would we ever think not extending XL. also, why do you hate the Panthers and winning. Because not supporting XL is basically not supporting Carolina.