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sure, the 6th best passer the last 8 weeks of the season. The problem is when you start shrinking numbers.....averages can get really weird and can present false info/narratives. You can see that everywhere in life. for example, he only broke 60% in 3 of those 8 games. In only 3 of those 8 games did he surpass the average passing yards per game. remove the last 2 games of the season.....and where does he finish in the final 6 or on the season as a whole. People are most definitely overinflating Bryce's play. And it's largely because of the drastic change of what he was to what he became. Which was HUGE. But in comparison to the rest of the league, above average doesn't pass the eyeball test. For example, people largely are remembering him playing well vs Philly. He was BAD that game. XL just happened to drop a pass he shouldn't have and Philly played horrific all game. Or looking at the stat sheet and claiming he was great vs AZ. He wasn't. He was literally one of 11 that game just not messing it up.

Bryce isn't hoping to see over the line. He hops to get certain throws off. For when he can't see over the line.....he just can't see over it. Which is going to forever impact the short pass attack of the Panthers to some extent (which we will never be able to qualify really). Bigger QBs than Bryce talk about getting blind. You can see him on film blind to some check down/easy stuff.

I think in all honestly, the final 2 games are carrying most of the weight in a lot of Bryce talk IMO. During the window where he "blew it out of the water" window......were a lot of games where he was not above average. AZ is largely one of those stat sheet games. Where the stat sheet reflects QB play that didn't exist in the game. That game was all Chuba. Meh vs Dallas. Meh vs Philly. Meh vs Giants. Probably average vs Tampa, Den, Saints. Bryce made HUGE strides vs what he was. We should be happy. But when you start comparing him to the rest of the league.....people I think are going too far. His best aspect in reality.....is his scrambling. And that's probably not a great thing give his size.

flip side of that coin, I wouldn't say Bryce looked better than Nix either though

I have not seen a single post that is making an argument against such people do argue against incredible and talks down those paths

Cam finished 5-1 to close out year 2. 14 TDs, 2 turnovers in that window and accounting for significantly more O. More passing yardage per game and lead the team in rushing the majority of those games. what hurt Cam the most was the adjustment teams made to our offense with Cam going into year 2. Which was what made the first half of that year so rough. Got to think a variation of that is coming for Bryce this year as he returns to the same O with an offseason of film study

not starting a new thread. Fox Sports has a top 10 list of QBs with the most to prove in 2025. Which 10 quarterbacks have the most to prove heading into the 2025 NFL season? Bryce Young comes in at #4. Which also seems about right-ish. Got to think this season is essentially going to be the deciding factor over his career here going forward. I'd put him #3. 1. Trevor 2. Richardson 3. Caleb (seems high) 4. Bryce 5. Fields

PFF Quarterback Rankings: All 32 starters ahead of the 2025 NFL season Bryce Young coming in at #20 PFF sort making the argument in their QB rankings that their indepth stats aren't the end all be all. 20 seems about right though.

reality is the piling on of Frank Reich is just the standard huddle angle we take of putting all blame on someone after the fact. as I was an OG Frank hater before it was cool to be......now the swing goes too far the other way and people will claim I am a Frank defender. Frank Reich was the definition of a .500 middle of the road NFL coach. He technically was a winning coach and above .500 coming here but he is and was NFL average. we were the biggest joke in a decade.....not because of Frank Reich (a dude who was going to do what he does in the NFL) but because he was paired with a dude who couldn't do NFL basics and Frank was forced to play him. That's not Frank being a loser. That's a bad org around Frank.

I'd say there are a fair amount of examples of tank attempts by NFL front offices over the years. It definitely is a thing. But it's stupid. and you can look at our last tank attempt as why it is stupid. Tanking is a front office strategy. One that coaches and players aren't working in agreement with. So what can happen? Well, you can enter tank mindset as a front office.....and then a Steve Wilks will do what he did to make the CMC trade/tank pointless.

yeah, as the it currently stands....it's bologna. If you don't want to ban it then you got to tweak the rules surrounding it.

Given that vid/stat is only clean pockets with no pressure? I would assume the other throws. BY overall on target % was bad.

I wish there was a way too log how many yards/TDs Ted Ginn Jr left on the field while wide open downfield......and Ted still had a good year despite all that. A prime Cam with a legit downfield WR would have be something

that's a reflective, hindsight viewpoint......that can be attached to people no longer here. I mean, we can all read what Gantt says in real time about this org. He is their employee. He has a job to do and it's to make them look good.

Darin Gantt is a Panther employee. He has nice things to say about things going into every year.

People were super high on the OL coming off the ending Steve Wilks had with this team. Folks were billing it as one of the strongest units we have gone into a season w/. They also convinced themselves that Miles Sanders was an awesome add. OL and run game were locked up going in. They loved the vet adds of AT and Chark to help Mingo/Bryce. . BY was basically a can't flop pick to go w/ an all star best ever staff. Talk here got wild at the time.

I’m okay with Auburn Tigers. Pretty solid when going that route. Especially first rounders

And yet people can’t understand why we can’t pull off back to back winnning seasons. It’s not hard to figure out. It’s probably the most simple problem I have seen. Draft Tigers, not Gamecocks. Science. *FAs don’t count. Not science. We have done that before. Hopefully this one is better than that last experiment

If you took a hot tub time machine to the huddle at this time of 2023…..it was a roster that rivaled 2003 with the bonus of an all star staff

This is Panther football!!!! He gonna be catching redzone fades in the endzone! Believe dat! * Disclaimer: Dabo Sweeney is actually 9ft tall and 400 lbs….but the podium hasn’t been altered.

I mentioned it pre draft but I'd be open to Curtis coming back if the Bills cut him. Think that would carry better odds for slot help than Renfrow.

full disclosure. If Hunter Renfrow makes the team and is a fraction of what he was......I will go full PJ Walker supporter mode. He will auto go to mystical status where all answers would be found.

Renfrow is my college GOAT. But a long NFL career was never in the cards for him IMO. I'll be shocked if he still has it. Plus, I think those Renfrow routes he stormed the NFL w/ had a film shelf life. To me, if we want a lotto pick to hit......it's gotta be Jimmy Horn we want to hit. but I maintain, we need AT out of hogging up those slot reps. I still say it drastically keeps the ceiling of O production down. I support a heavy mix of whoever into the slot. Coker, Horn, we need YAC.

and we are still way too dependent on what will be a 12th year AT (who debated retirement) and didn't stay healthy last year. AT should be a teams #4. He remains our actual #1 target.

I was more referencing the Panthers putting him out wide on the outside at WR. He wasn't a tweener in the context we were moving him around. That should of never been on the table. But yeah, gadget 3rd down RB or slot WR? Tweener in that regard. Sure.