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and Phil Snow thought it was a great idea. In fact, Darnold initially was the DCs idea. Crafty move Phil. Team with no QB and no OL in back to back drafts...keeps spending their first round pick on guys for you. the Philappaloosa model lol. I mean Phil Snow is getting some beasts.

well, Tannehill got hurt. Darnold only had 1 real year with Gase. Which was his "good" year. They went full tank mode this year from the jump.

well, you also need the QB talent that thrives in a NFL passing scheme. Joe Burrow didn't have loads of talent at Cincy. He had no OL and his #1 was a rookie WR....and still was pulling it off looking sharp. Talented QBs find a way to shine bright even in bad spots. Special dudes are special. The Golden Calf of Bristol and Joe Burrow fit different schemes. It's why Joe couldn't break through the Urban depth chart. And it's why The Golden Calf of Bristol can't play in the NFL.

Darnold and Tannehill both had their best season year 1 when paired with Gase

yeah, I don't think Tannehill is special. Derrick Henry has lead the NFL in rushing and rushing TDs the last 2 seasons. Derrick Henry is special. You remove Derrick Henry and I think Tannehill would be average. maybe. Or maybe Joe Burrow is just a guy that thrives in a NFL pass scheme and not a college one. Joe Brady brought the Saints pass/scheme game to LSU as the pass game coordinator. And LSU busting at the seam with a roster full of NFL WRs is a big part of it too. Burrow looked pretty impressive out of the gates in Cincy without the pass game coordinator he was paired with for only one season.

Darnold's mono year was his best season of his career.

I think Gase is a weak HC. But his QBs generally are what they are IMO. Good, bad or average. They show where they are. So I think Darnold is average as average can be. Could be wrong. But nothing about Rhule's average college QBs screams Rhule's programs have a magic QB touch...for our org to be trying to turn average into more.

year 1 - a healthy Tannehill went to the playoffs in year 1. year 2 - blew his ACL and missed the entire season year 3 - coming back from ACL, injured his throwing shoulder. Injury killed Tannehill in Miami more than Gase being a touch of death. Historically, Gase's average to below average QBs have overachieved in his system in year 1 as a HC or OC.

I asked what point was being made with the post. Only thing I walked away from was Gase came in and QBs immediately had their best season. Was that the point? If not, that is why I asked. Tannehill's downfall in Miami was more injury related than anything IMO. Blew his ACL after the playoff season. Messed up shoulder the year coming back from the ACL. that post about Tannehill/Gase was a continuation of the discussion about Urban's QBs. The poster said we should do the same with Gase.

What's the argument you are making? We were discussing how Urban Meyer's QB are dog poo when they go to the NFL. It's consistent no matter what college they came out of. Great college QBs. Horrible NFL QBs. The Ohio St stigma is actually an Urban one IMO. Which Fields isn't part of. When Gase connected with those two QBs, they immediately had there best season. Yet he is at fault for everything when it comes to Darnold?

You had me until the Jimmy Jam goes 7-9. Jimmy makes Teddy look like Mahomes.

Beat writers on Twitter are saying he has been MIA since camp started. Ranging from the covid list to personal reasons. Wouldn’t be surprised if more info starts to come out in the coming days. Something sounds off about him and the Jags on this one.

Tannehill had a winning record with Gase though. They went to the playoffs year 1 too.

But that’s not true. Again, this isn’t the Bradford era. Rookie deals don’t handicap you like years ago. Cardinals drafted Rosen in the top 10. It was a bust. Very next year got Murray in the top 5. They moved on quick. The way rookie deals are now you can do that. And you can carry your bust as a backup long term project…and their cap hit isn’t brutal.

yes, but I generally put the emphasis on who coached them in college instead of the uniform. Urban Meyer QBs never panned out in the NFL.

Then Sam Bradford will be a unicorn and pull off what few have ever done. And I’ll cheer it. But right now, I just call it like I would if any other team made the move and only had Sam at QB. worst case scenario IMO is he is decent. Not bad. Not good. Then we just get stuck with him for a couple years.

This isn’t the Sam Bradford era. Rookie deals don’t cripple you if you miss.

Sam is a bigger cap hit to us than Fields is to the Bears.

I’ll pull for them in season just like I did Kyle Allen. Just like I did for Teddy and PJ. But the Carolina Panthers need a QB. It’s a QB league. And I’ll continue to pull for them to solve that glaring need.

He was drafted by the Jets to be their franchise QB. He played poorly. They moved on from him. To date, he is a bust. That is a fact. It is an opinion that he can be salvaged and it’s ALL the Jets

Our QBs are Will Grier, PJ Walker and we are kicking the tires on the former Jets QB who they moved on from. Anyone could turn into something….but right now we don’t have one.

Still a bust. He is a Joey Harrington. We are Miami. But even Miami brought in more than just Harrington when kicking those tires. Harrington wasn’t brought in to start.

So…who are all these people higher on Darnold than Fields outside the folks I mentioned? it isn’t even Fields centric in reality. It is what he represents. We have no QB at this stage. We had a top prospect drop in our lap and passed. Which doesn’t apply to those teams. They drafted a QB, drafted one last year….or are the Falcons, who have their cap/money invested still in their franchise QB still.

Dwayne Haskins had value to the Steelers. I think most teams probably viewed Sam similar to that. Lot of teams don’t mind kicking the tires on a busted QB. But they are kicking the tires on someone they likely know won’t pan out while their aging QB….is still there starting QB . Steelers are kicking the tires the right way. we just went all in on a busted QB and passed on a top tier draft prospect.

Fields only had bad games when dealing with busted ribs (after out playing Trevor a second time) and when Ohio St was ravaged with COVID for over a month.