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It’s weird, but I don’t feel like the Panthers have a real rival present day.

tonight has the trio in play. well, it's football. it's a division game. and it's TNF. which means I feel there is no way to predict what shows up on the TV tonight but I need Bijan to score me some big fantasy points

Horn doesn't give up those TDs and we would have won it ugly last time. How many times has asking Bryce to do some early lifting put us in big holes? I just don't see why. If the goal is purely to win. but overall, yeah, I don't like watching that brand of football. but yeah, I think it is best in theory to ask Bryce to be legit QB attack what the Saints are daring him too. But that's generally not what Dave does w/ Bryce. He knows. Every once in a while he forgets (SF) because of the annual Falcons game. But I do think their is a formula Canales knows is the way.

to me it's the simple. The D needs to keep being there improving version. Run game has to be steady. And outside of that, you need others not to implode a boring way to go about winning. but it's a hard way to win and you need a lot go right

the most predictable Panthers ending based off how this season has gone. -The Saints beat us. Tampa also loses tonight. Folks are really mad at Bryce and Dave but hey, still in this. -The Bucs beat us. Go a game up. Complete board meltdown. 100 cut Bryce and Dave threads -Panthers beat the Seahawks by 10. Bucs lose to the Phins. Now, Bryce and Dave deserve deals. Today. 200 threads on that. People are guessing about playoff destinations and BigKat rents a hotel room in every imaginable city. - Bucs beat us. Board melts down.

I still think the game he shadowed Nuk Hopkins was his worst. Horn just fell on one. Life happens. Not bad DB play. I so think it it's a little over generous to give him both as pure trips/slips. They were brutal plays but he was largely solid outside of those 2 random plays. Nuk I think got in his head and he was just really bad that whole game.

That seems like a bad gameplan IMO. Just run the RBs. Hope no one on D has a disaster game. Play for the turnovers. Bryce's downfield throwing doesn't really work as means to back the S off. Never really has. That's how his bad play happens IMO. Canales basically has to wait it out and find the looks Bryce might can take advantage of. Which is man coverage/single coverage and you don't roll that dice often. Crowded boxes are a risk/reward strategy. One mistake and your RB can make some really big plays.

I think some of that, how many from 2023 still making plays thought.....ties into what the vision was. I mean, before Bryce Young took a week 1 snap, it was universally deemed the best place for any rookie QB to land. The reason of that was because on paper, it all made a lot of sense. A solid yet unspectacular HC. Surround the rookie with a stable of super safe vet JAGs that could all do what they were supposed to do for the young QB (safe vet JAGs don't have much of a career ahead of them). I think they tried to create a high floor, low ceiling start for Bryce to take off from.....and it just didn't work. On paper it made a lot of sense. Which most locally and nationally all thought too. I still think the fatal flaw, is Frank didn't want Bryce. And Bryce was never going to succeed being a Frank QB. And that's all Frank had in the bag.

well, the Colts are winning. Heck, they are surprising or were. My guess that has a lot to do w/ something not okay being totally okay for the moment. And the PR machine likely is running really hard for her at the moment. It's weird stuff. I mean, she was in the HC hip pocket working Rivers on the practice field. Really weird. I still would be willing to play the odds when things go south.....we find out there is more than one bonkers person in the Isray family tree.

Tepper got nothing on the old Colts owner or the new one. Not only is she in a full head set on the sidelines every game with the coaching staff. You got her at the practice w/ the HC working on Rivers lol. I don't know when it is going to happen but something crazy is going to go down in Indy sometime in the near future IMO. I mean, wait til the Colts hit a rough spot.

if anything occurs we/someone doesn't like it's all David Tepper's doing. If something good happens, Tepper was hands off. That's seems to be the general logic applied w/ Dave for some time. I think Tepper is probably an average owner in terms of involvement. I think he just really botched the big hires and the big hires did a bad job personally.

if this season has taught us anything..... the Seattle game might be the one we are most likely to win. Saints the hardest. Darnold still has those disaster games in him and might gift us.

Bryce plays his best football vs Atlanta and his worst vs the Saints. And it's not just in the dome, he has been bad in every single Saints game. two completely polar opposite trends and both represent the extreme ends of the Bryce spectrum.

2 things 1. Bryce has gotten more time and opportunity than literally every QB you named 2. You went to a prior era where QBs got more time than today’s NFL (and again, Bryce has gotten more time and opportunity than everyone you named) Bryce - 40 starts and counting Gabbert - 27 starts and the Jags ended it Russell - 25 starts and the Raiders ended it Locker - 23 starts and the Titans ended it the team around Bryce has gotten significantly better. Bryce is more the same than he is different. Tune in this week, as we count down late in the 4th quarter to see if Bryce can somehow manage to crack 200 yards!! I mean you don’t have to tune in for that. Odds say he won’t because it’s a really rare feat him. As a 3rd year player there is a 75% chance he won’t.

As you attempt to lose people in your lengthy posting….remember your initial disagreement was our RBs aren’t better. And that’s a reference to our skills position players in the backfield. We are just flat out better there. And you are for some reason trying to manifest Rico into this injured player while trying to elevate a clearly down Kamara via some hot tub machine point remains, ask legit NFL fans if they would rather have the Panthers backfield in 2025 or the Saints. It’s easily Carolina. As most NFL fans arent playing gymnastics to try paint Bryce in a worse position than Shough. one team has a good rushing attack and on has weak rushing attack. You can type 8,000 words and it won’t change that.

That’s the unique Bryce only scale of improvement . He isn’t getting #1 pick leeway. He is getting we gave up the farm for him leeway (which there are very few comps of). there is no major progression. Team around him has gotten better. Bryce has been a very consistent player in all honesty.

Because guys slightly worse than Bryce or slightly better…..don’t get to be starter vs 3 straight seasons. They all come and go. Thats how he is the worst starting QB since he was drafted. Players worse or close to him….go away and he remains. so is he better than JJ? Sure. But JJ will go away. Just like a Spencer Rattler. So they don’t get to compete for the worst over a window of time….where they only exist for a season. so you could say Cam Ward is the worst QB in 2025 Bryce remains the worst from 2023 to date. Anyone as bad is gone. and Ward’s draft status likely won’t give him Bryce’s time. Bryce get extra for being way more than a #1 overall blunder. He was multiple.

You almost need guys to have their brains oddly wired in a bad way…..for them to make boatloads of cash and not walk away when the injury bug starts knocking hard. I mean Luck and Luke had one thing in common. They are very smart humans. Probably too smart for the NFL.

Bryce logic is just The Golden Calf of Bristol logic boss. It’s the same Skip Bayless argument doesn’t matter he isn’t very good. Doesn’t matter he is why they are so often down. Doesn’t matter he doesn’t really generate offense. We got some really odd ball wins and there are some are some random late plays…it’s just a repackaged Tebowmania argument. But more bland. It’s a run game and D carrying the QB…..and wanting to over credit the QB

I mean, that’s sort of the point. We all know the Skip logic was garbage and that’s why Tim is on TV. Yet here we are….acting like Brycemania is something different

Didn’t do it every time for Bryce’s Didn’t do it every time with PJ Walker. But pending the convo, sometimes it was warranted in certain convos and discussions. I would assume the Panthers aren’t spending lots of time on the 2 games he game in during the 4th and 3rd q during film study… and are spending most of their time studying the games he started in.

yeah, and in this case, people wanted to talk about a full time starter vs a guy that had garbage time games mixed in. I would wager a fun bet, I can find a post of mine, where I did that very thing for Bryce Young last year and edited those games out.

I think without manipulating the data, Gunner is the GOAT

it's not so much my case, as IMO you suggest I am uniquely doing something here for Shough...... but how I simply have always talked about QBs. Specifically, ones that haven't started all season. I have done that with basically everyone for years. I mean, I guess my point is, you can disagree with caring about starts and think backup player garbage time games is just as important of data and shouldn't be separated. I'm just saying I'm not uniquely doing it for Shough. That's what I always do. I have done it with all the Panthers QBs over the years that weren't starters the full season.

we got a guy for that