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well, the Colts are winning. Heck, they are surprising or were. My guess that has a lot to do w/ something not okay being totally okay for the moment. And the PR machine likely is running really hard for her at the moment. It's weird stuff. I mean, she was in the HC hip pocket working Rivers on the practice field. Really weird. I still would be willing to play the odds when things go south.....we find out there is more than one bonkers person in the Isray family tree.

Tepper got nothing on the old Colts owner or the new one. Not only is she in a full head set on the sidelines every game with the coaching staff. You got her at the practice w/ the HC working on Rivers lol. I don't know when it is going to happen but something crazy is going to go down in Indy sometime in the near future IMO. I mean, wait til the Colts hit a rough spot.

if anything occurs we/someone doesn't like it's all David Tepper's doing. If something good happens, Tepper was hands off. That's seems to be the general logic applied w/ Dave for some time. I think Tepper is probably an average owner in terms of involvement. I think he just really botched the big hires and the big hires did a bad job personally.

if this season has taught us anything..... the Seattle game might be the one we are most likely to win. Saints the hardest. Darnold still has those disaster games in him and might gift us.

Bryce plays his best football vs Atlanta and his worst vs the Saints. And it's not just in the dome, he has been bad in every single Saints game. two completely polar opposite trends and both represent the extreme ends of the Bryce spectrum.

2 things 1. Bryce has gotten more time and opportunity than literally every QB you named 2. You went to a prior era where QBs got more time than today’s NFL (and again, Bryce has gotten more time and opportunity than everyone you named) Bryce - 40 starts and counting Gabbert - 27 starts and the Jags ended it Russell - 25 starts and the Raiders ended it Locker - 23 starts and the Titans ended it the team around Bryce has gotten significantly better. Bryce is more the same than he is different. Tune in this week, as we count down late in the 4th quarter to see if Bryce can somehow manage to crack 200 yards!! I mean you don’t have to tune in for that. Odds say he won’t because it’s a really rare feat him. As a 3rd year player there is a 75% chance he won’t.

As you attempt to lose people in your lengthy posting….remember your initial disagreement was our RBs aren’t better. And that’s a reference to our skills position players in the backfield. We are just flat out better there. And you are for some reason trying to manifest Rico into this injured player while trying to elevate a clearly down Kamara via some hot tub machine point remains, ask legit NFL fans if they would rather have the Panthers backfield in 2025 or the Saints. It’s easily Carolina. As most NFL fans arent playing gymnastics to try paint Bryce in a worse position than Shough. one team has a good rushing attack and on has weak rushing attack. You can type 8,000 words and it won’t change that.

That’s the unique Bryce only scale of improvement . He isn’t getting #1 pick leeway. He is getting we gave up the farm for him leeway (which there are very few comps of). there is no major progression. Team around him has gotten better. Bryce has been a very consistent player in all honesty.

Because guys slightly worse than Bryce or slightly better…..don’t get to be starter vs 3 straight seasons. They all come and go. Thats how he is the worst starting QB since he was drafted. Players worse or close to him….go away and he remains. so is he better than JJ? Sure. But JJ will go away. Just like a Spencer Rattler. So they don’t get to compete for the worst over a window of time….where they only exist for a season. so you could say Cam Ward is the worst QB in 2025 Bryce remains the worst from 2023 to date. Anyone as bad is gone. and Ward’s draft status likely won’t give him Bryce’s time. Bryce get extra for being way more than a #1 overall blunder. He was multiple.

You almost need guys to have their brains oddly wired in a bad way…..for them to make boatloads of cash and not walk away when the injury bug starts knocking hard. I mean Luck and Luke had one thing in common. They are very smart humans. Probably too smart for the NFL.

Bryce logic is just The Golden Calf of Bristol logic boss. It’s the same Skip Bayless argument doesn’t matter he isn’t very good. Doesn’t matter he is why they are so often down. Doesn’t matter he doesn’t really generate offense. We got some really odd ball wins and there are some are some random late plays…it’s just a repackaged Tebowmania argument. But more bland. It’s a run game and D carrying the QB…..and wanting to over credit the QB

I mean, that’s sort of the point. We all know the Skip logic was garbage and that’s why Tim is on TV. Yet here we are….acting like Brycemania is something different

Didn’t do it every time for Bryce’s Didn’t do it every time with PJ Walker. But pending the convo, sometimes it was warranted in certain convos and discussions. I would assume the Panthers aren’t spending lots of time on the 2 games he game in during the 4th and 3rd q during film study… and are spending most of their time studying the games he started in.

yeah, and in this case, people wanted to talk about a full time starter vs a guy that had garbage time games mixed in. I would wager a fun bet, I can find a post of mine, where I did that very thing for Bryce Young last year and edited those games out.

I think without manipulating the data, Gunner is the GOAT

it's not so much my case, as IMO you suggest I am uniquely doing something here for Shough...... but how I simply have always talked about QBs. Specifically, ones that haven't started all season. I have done that with basically everyone for years. I mean, I guess my point is, you can disagree with caring about starts and think backup player garbage time games is just as important of data and shouldn't be separated. I'm just saying I'm not uniquely doing it for Shough. That's what I always do. I have done it with all the Panthers QBs over the years that weren't starters the full season.

we got a guy for that

data manipulation!

of the last 6 games, how many would you say featured good NFL QB play? Jets, Green Bay, New Orleans, Falcons, 49ers, Rams. How is he playing well, if he was not good in 4 of the last 6? It's the recurring trend of letting the last game when it goes okay have drastically too much weight.

really need a thread on the Saints D. Really feels like a large % of Panthers fans dismiss the last Saints game and just some fluke and we will just win this week. There QB and D didn't just play well vs us last time, past several weeks they seem to have really gotten on a good track vs earlier this year. It will be a tough game IMO, just as tough as the Bucs games will be.

from my perspective, I call looking at quarterbacks starts when talking about him....and someone calling that manipulating the data, a wild take though. Think it's the most accurate way to view what you get out of a QB when his team and the opposing team both have game planned w/ that QB in mind and you have the full game. All these random bits of games distort the statistics IMO. What does saying Shough is playing surprisingly well mean? Literally nothing outside of our next opponent has a rookie playing surprisingly well (and it's enough we can't dismiss that after a very surprising first game vs us). and it's not a favor done just for him. I've always taken out the random games form dudes when talking about them when the sample size is small. I mean, ask PJ Walker to come in a blowout or start a game and IMO you get 2 very different things out of PJ Walker. If you are playing against him next week, it's probably best to acknowledge the variant that starts vs inserted late.

I mean, I often separated PJ Walker's starts vs his garbage time. We generally edit out 2 games from Bryce when talking about him last year. All depends what discussion you are having. but if you are having an honesty discussion on Shough and how he is playing and start talking per game production.....a 0-2, 0 yard, 4th quarter technical appearance is going to massive distort his per game production given his limited playing time. The OG goal of of this thread was a legit look at surprisingly play of our next opponent. That's supposed to be normal football talk. But most QBs indirectly make Bryce look bad and the stans can't have that.

the Bryce stans basically have been ripping off the Skip/The Golden Calf of Bristol argument. It doesn't matter if he is below average 98% of his snaps. That 2%!!!

if you are talking game production as the discussion, you basically are forced to remove them to even get in the realm of honest discussion. Shough has a 2 pass 4th quarter game and a late 3rd quarter entrance game. That will wildly distort the numbers if you are wanting to talk about what he has done in games. and the generally narrative we talk about most QBs is their starts. Because is what a QB is. The Bryce gymnastics and gaslighting and way worse than the "hate" around here.

I don't see the need to move on from RBs.... I didn't say he was a bum. I said most knowledgeable people are flat out taking the DUO of RBs that have generated a top 10 rush team over the season.....over Kamara in his worst season of his career (leading a league worst attack).....if asked which team is giving their QB better skill players in the backfield this season. It's amazing what Bryce defense will do. Got you in here essentially making wilds claim about run games/RB talent in 2025. Pooping on a top 10 rush attack that is the foundation of this team to prop up a league worst rush attack.