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I can go cherry pick a random team that has little do with anything and make the counter to your argument. No point. You can’t make an argument the pass attack with Bryce isn’t weak and erratic. Stats and eye test prove both. All 3 years. Merry Christmas. Off to church, then some family eating paired with the proper amount of adult beverages as to not make the wife mad, and then Santa Claus work. Until another day. I hope everyone that wants them gets their official Bryce Young pajamas for Christmas (XS).

It’s 2025, not 2000. You can play or you can’t given the state of offense in today’s NFL. It’s all figured out pretty quickly who people are and aren’t. everyone basically channeling their inner Matt Rhule on Bryce Young. I’m telling you, year 4 or 5 he is going to show you! Year 7 would be the worst case scenario. Everyone knows about that magic 7th season.

In theory, you can argue anything. We have a weak and erratic pass attack. It just is what it is. The eye don’t lie. Well it lies once every season. In Atlanta lol

Sure, you have to make up for it elsewhere… #2 D paired with the #2 rush attack (paired with an essentially cheat short yardage play). We dumped our resources into having a really good passing attack presently that in theory should be making up for the areas that would take an hit in the build. Which is another reason so much is Bryce centric. What in theory should be the biggest strength is the weakest link.

The only reason that weak pass attack is okay….is the dominant performance on the ground the QB is also working in. Can’t just gloss over that….which made them a top 10 O in yards and scoring. we are bottom 3rd in the NFL. Again.

Hurt was a piece of dominant ground attack and that yielded results. If Hurts didn’t have that component to offset what he lacks as a passer, Hurts would be where all the other Bama QBs end up…..not playing.

He takes shots downfield more than…..1 starter in the NFL. And Canales is clearly managing him and his throws. Is that progress? Is that confidence? or is it that the Rams and other teams don’t expect a QB that doesn’t throw downfield to take shots….and we have taken advantage of those moments. Which is going to yield a better success rate. Hell those 2 Rams throws almost felt like trick plays

If he can get set….yes, Bryce can throw it hail marys often involve QBs creating additional distance on throws while biding time and when the time comes to get it off….you might not have a good base and setup to get it off. I do not think there is belief he can do that under bad conditions…. and it’s likely why 2 different NFL coaches haven’t declined. Get him going backwards and not set? Scrambling and not set? Cam could get it off flat footed and all arm.

Jon Kasay was a Carolina folk hero until he kicked the ball out of bounds in the Super Bowl. Delhomme wasn’t getting the credit in real time like QBs of today. it’s why I also bring up the NE kicker….he was getting all the shine and praise in the world in that era for winning NE games. Different era of football. A formula and view was different. It’s wasn’t a QB centric league then and nor were people trying to make it all about the QB at every moment

Is it your job to selectively complain about people being critical of one human and no one else? If I go to every thread and cheer on others not named Bryce when people diss them everyday…..pretty sure a boatload of people would have something to say about my cheering you are the one with the absurd these people are “sick” bologna. Yeah, I’ll call that out lol

Folks around here treat Bryce Young like he is their child on a travel ball team. And he got the loud parents and is the kid that everyone else knows really doesn’t belong. no one is “sick” because it’s pointed out, it’s a red flag that 3 years and in our low ceiling QB is still being talked aboutwith a present day 2nd round rookie on a bad team. this is the freaking NFL. No one is clutching their pearls as XL is poo on every day. Or Evero. Or Tepper. Or any other player. And Bryce hasn’t been much better at his job in Carolina as they have been at theirs

There was a time….when kickers used to get the love/shine in those moments. Jon Kasay not Jake was deemed the clutch game winner the Cardiac Cats season. At one point, Adam Vinatieri was the clutch game winner while Brady was still on his path to being a GOAT. But everything is QB centric. Trevor Lawerence could move the ball zero yards and Little makes 2 70 yard kicks to close out the season….and Trevor might be talked about for an award

But when people say, Bryce Young doesn’t go downfield…..this is what they are referring to. He goes downfield less than every starter in the NFL…..minus 1. And high odds he likely made a move out of last place the last 3 weeks

Yeah, we don’t need to get sucked into the early 2000s Detroit Lions model of drafting

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I would guess because it wouldn’t align with the conservative management. We are taking our rare deep shots in advantageous scenarios….to big WRs. Bryce historically puts balls on dudes and often creates jump ball/contested scenarios at high rate. Ball placement remains spotty. Horn is tiny. Likely not a a very good WR yet in terms battling through contact down the sideline and having to deal with a potential contested catch vs bigger defenders. If it turns into a jump ball scenario the dude ain’t going to morph into 89.

I think it’s Canales essentially having Bryce at this point throwing deep only in the most advantageous spots possible. can Bryce hurt a team in man coverage? Yes. Add the blitz? Odds go up. Add it’s a run scenario threat too? Odds go up. generally the attempts also seem to be factoring in if things go bad…..opponent doesn’t have a shot at good field position off it. They largely are endzone shots once in FG territory of late. Give Bryce zone between the 20s? Canales doesn’t seem to want to mess with that. Bryce does seem very managed at this point (not saying that’s good or bad but Canales seems to have settled in largely to a strategy of late). got to think defenses are going to counter soon because it feels like the shots are getting predictable of when we take them now. Defenses daring throws and Canlales now takes them at certain locations on the field. Think if you did a compilation of his last several big throws….there is a lot in common on many

Everything is relative. If Bryce was here in a PJ Walker role to just get us through this season I would sing his praises from the mountain top. but this season is almost over…..and important and impactful decisions wil be made. I’m tired of this team stinking. And some really random quirky season isn’t enough for me to forget what we are supposed to be striving for in the big picture. And this O doesn’t project to be on that path. So from my perspective, wanting to move on is the most pro Panther stance

I think given his physical tools and Carolina’s offense struggles/reputation…..some team would take him off our hands.

Shough can play….factoring he is a 2nd round rookie thrust into the gig on a bad roster. and we are debating him and Bryce Young. Not Bryce vs Drake Maye. If that’s not a red flag for you that it’s Shough we are talking. So be it. Giant one for me. Especially given the looming contract. holla if you want to know where you can find the stats you are confused about earlier. Not being a smart ass. Not just the stats for starts vs season totals. You can get the specifics on a QB for outdoors, dome, open roof. Early games, late games, night games. Vs division. It’s all broken down. No math and figuring needed.

The run game is getting more bottled up as teams have fixated on it. But we have still leaned on the run the majority of those game by modern standards. It’s just not as productive. Shough going for 1664 yards (vs that 1306 with less from his rushers) during that same 7 game stretch (despite Bryce getting his annual insane Atlanta explosion factoring in for him during that stretch which is his anomaly performance on the year). I mean, it’s not really debatable the Saints lean more on the pass than the Panthers. We have a better backfield. They are down to using their washed TE gadget guy as the lead back due to injury). unless things get weird or the game sort of naturally happens….the gameplan is leaning on the run in Carolina.

I’ve never seen the leash, excuses rationalization done for such meh QB play in Panthers QB history….to the extent done for Bryce Young. It’s not glazing Shough. It’s pointing out Bryce is giving you comparable level of QB play that is dirt cheap in the NFL….and we don’t need to get into a bad spot over that. Thats a hard pill to swallow….so you see it as Shough glaze

Convo isn’t one stat, number or thought. You keep projecting that. The TEAM has something to do with those TDs….because our pass attack is 26th in the NFL. How do you think we are moving the ball. Bryce isn’t doing a ton of lifting nor has a great deal on his shoulders in our offense. and he clearly isn’t very efficient by the majority of metrics we measure efficiency. Which gets into why Dave has ramped up his 4th down gambling that was overwhelming going our way but is going to even out in time .

and one is lead by 3rd year starter we are debating a contract and big decisions on soon…..and one by a rookie 2nd rounder thrust into the gig. which is the entire point. And we are talking Tyler freaking Shough. Not Drake Drake Maye Maye. Which is really the type QB that should be brought up. Actual good young QB play

No one is making any argument purely off of yards we also happen to be 27th in scoring and living in the same neighborhood as the Saints in that department and scoring % of drives. There QB doing more lifting moving the ball and our RBs factoring more.