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Honestly my problem with Teddy was different from most posters here but I think him speaking out against the staff at points is what did him in. As to the OL, Erving is probably better than Christensen now but long term we know he isn't the answer so I wish this staff would let their tackle they'd drafted play... He was hit or miss tbh but the OL as a whole is also better than when he last played. Just seems that we are stuck in a weird place with personnel on offense.

I must have missed it but who actually called Darnold expendable after the injury? That's some shitty stuff to say.

I think all of us are prone to comparing our QBs to Cam, but really he was something else in so many ways. Allen had fire... I personally think Darnold has gotten animated too. I think the difference between those guys and Cam is that we didn't see them being dejected at tough times etc. But I don't think that is indicative of not caring about winning... Just a different demeanor. And plus by all accounts Darnold is a leader in the locker room. I don't think people are just paying him lip service, either. Unfortunately for his, his issues on the field mean it doesn't much matter how nice a locker room presence he is (although perhaps that portends a future role as a veteran backup for some young QB we draft...).

Cam also matured while in the league with regards to losses in general. I didn't love the lack of maturity he showed at times, but he was a very young man at the time, and it is better than the alternative of not caring... That said, can you explain the second sentence? Darnold may not be as emotional as Cam but he certainly seems to get fired up, and I have no evidence he doesn't care about winning... It "feels" like Darnold shows more fire than Teddy did but that may not be accurate either (just in terms of getting excited after big plays etc)

YPC may not be that different, but what is total yardage like? Although maybe part of my memory is influenced by the handful of long runs Darnold has had nowthat have been called back (been at least 2). One positive is that Darnold doesn't seem to have the allergy for the end zone Teddy had here. Weirdly, he doesnt' have it in Denver (not that he is prolific there in scoring TDs, but better than here!) edit: Pressure % being the same is interesting. Can you see his time in the pocket between those first games and the overall? Does feel like he isn't getting the ball out as fast but that can just be perception and not reality

Chuba's comments are exactly why I do not believe the problems with drops is players "checking out" of the offense because of Darnold (and it would have started in training camp). Darnold is part of our problem, I'm sure DJ and Robby agree, but I don't think they're sitting on the sidelines deciding not to give effort...

Yeah,CMC around for a larger percentage of plays this year than all of last. But it's still surprising lol

The two are related imo. At the start of the year, Darnolds bad throw percentage was much lower I think. I think it was something like 15% thru his first 4 games. But the pressure built, defenses learned how to cover our guys (I mean we had teams in back to back weeks commenting they knew our damn routes), Darnold became Bad Sam again, and yeah. One thing to note is Darnold is significantly more productive on the ground than Teddy was. In fact, if we are going to grow at all as an offense it'll be more smart usage of his legs IMO. Interesting our yards/comp is higher this year despite Darnold... I didn't expect that. Barely (8.2 vs 8.7) but still.

I'm actually surprised our yac/comp is higher this year. Didn't expect that because I thought Teddy has been doing a better job of getting the ball to receivers in places they could make plays than Sam has been. 7.6% is an atrocious drop percentage, but even worse is how many of those are from Chubba and Robby

I'm now wondering if it wasn't Darnolds roster spot the coaches were protecting by not bringing in more camp competition or another veteran presence in the QB room, heh. Ah well, ride or die with PJ time.

Several of Sams red zone runs have been called runs I think... Or at least option plays. I'd have to go back and look but I'm pretty sure several of his TDs were.

Youre right. Didn't notice that. Ugh.

Overall he played well I thought, but I didn't notice his effort here... I'm not sure he has the speed to get in front of Darnold either way but man is that a bad look on a play the QB gets injured

Well kind of, but saying some unit on the team is the best or not the best because it's ranking with any one or set of numbers / indices is a bit subjective... I think because this is a team sport, the missing context matters a lot in going from best ranking in a given year to best all time for a given team. Objective to say 2015 had a better DVOA? 100%, yes. I get this may seem nitpicky but it's something I see done at times so just wanted to comment. DVOA is certainly better than just like passing yards and things given rule changes, lol. I just don't think this is actually a decision that can be made purely off defensive stats.

Honestly, I get the cam stuff more than anything. In a simplistic way he does fill a pressing need (yes it won't ever happen for multiple reasons lol). As Panthers fans we don't have a ton of good memories to draw on, lol. You gotta understand he's the best player this team has ever had and the way his departure was handled was a botch to say the least. He's still looking for a job and we are in need of a QB, so fans are gonna bring it up.

Think they'll take two of their previous starters instead? We got a couple we could send back to them...

Corner the market!

Maybe. I want to see more, but it doesn't seem like the poo show it did. Zane has been really good. Returners don't scare the poo out of me when they touch a ball anymore.

Stafford was and he couldn't rescue the lions. What he's doing in LA is... Impressive heh. I knew he was good, but he is looking unstoppable often.

Caserio is gambling a bit that these legal issues get resolved next year, I think, but I think he's right they'll get more for him in the offseason if they're resolved than they will now if they're not.

I think it is far and away the most talented secondary we have had, and that is despite being weak at safety imo. Really remarkable how good our corners are. If Henderson and Taylor both develop we should have some crazy flexibility and probably some very nice trade capital depending on Jackson and Gilmore.

Have to admit theres nothing quite like a bunch of people whining about other people whining on a football forum

I get we realistically are unlikely to make the playoffs. But if we had a coaching staff that legit started tanking at 4-4 with our star offensive player about to return, I would say we need a new coaching staff. Now isn't the time to tank... Which we might anyway, but yeah.

Jones just taking too long to find a place to go, after an amazing D performance is undone by a couple of bad plays? Heh.

It's crazy the Giants are keeping it this close...