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It's going to hurt when they run it back with Dalton as the only other option next year.

Umm plenty of people were calling him out: height, weight, durability, arm, legs and footwork. Lots didn't know on Stroud but it was an easy call IMO in comparison. Mostly I hated the trade, the hires and the way the crew was proceeding. Failure upon conception really. After the Rhule years it was pretty infuriating all around personally. It always come back to the media hype and if this isn't proof that that is mostly noise I don't know what else could convince anyone.

His legs looked limited in school to me. Good enough at that level but it never looked NFL level. All the guys you mentioned made Bryce look slow and limited. What propped him up was other non-NFL level guys on the field. Absolutely on the 2nd part. That's becaude when he bails he doesn't have to ability to make it work more often. Lots of times this year and past teams let him scramble because they obviously didn't see it as a serious threat. Hell Payton was allowed to run because he was so slow and took off so infrequently. Bryce isn't that bad but he is closer to that than to Murray.

That's why I said I agree the other stuff matter more. If that doesn't exist it's not even worth looking at height. It does limit play tho. Deal killer? Not with good physical traits and skills. I never got Bryce's playmaker ability from school film. It always looked school level at best to me. I don't watch more school ball so I only care about NFL level and he just didn't look more than a gut eho peaked in school. That sounds like a sound take moving forward.

I agree but the 1 and a half guys that have fit is a small hit percentage. I agree the other stuff matters more. If Murray wasn't a dud between the ears it would be 2 and not 1 in that category. It's deffinatly not as high as ability, tools and skills. Yeah really weak arm is a huge red flag. Paired with poor footwork should be a hell no.

I am not at all up for under 6' myself. That list is small and unimpressive, I really can't think of anyone but Wilson in that category recently I would call good that I can think of. Murray could have made it work but he is incredibly dense IMO. That's just bad odds. Over 6'? Shouldn't be an issue by itself. 100% on the second part. That's what matters first and would dictate an exception.

6'1" isn't a deal breaker, especially for a latter pick. At this point a backup level QB that can see the field would be a huge improvement, 6'1" can see a lit more than 5'9"+. Add in any physical traits above poor level and it's all.imprivement in the right direction IMO.

19th in rushing yards allowed and 28th in rushing TDs allowed. 1 more TD allowed on the ground than passing TDs allowed. Kind of obvious why those stats exist. The only good part of the heavy zone is the turnovers IMO. 14th in passing yards allowed and 8th in passing TDs allowed but 20th in allowed yards per attempt. All that gives a clearer picture of thr total picture.

Unless he pulls a Crosby then I doubt it too. Just sounds like a floundering HC doing his thing but there could always be more going on behind the curtains. Bowls absolutely was a bad hire but he did decently for a guy I thought was going to look more like Moris then what he has done. Pretty decent for a highly flawed HC. I'm still a little surprised he didn't implode it all in his first or second year. Been painful to watch him win. Pretty clear litmus test for what's going on in Pantherland.

And yet he ran a competent offenses and won the NFCS the last 3 years. No i think the same about him, he is pretty bad overall but he did better in Tampa than I thought he could.

Baker doesn't look right that's all I know. I would take Coen over Bowles everyday. On thr flip side, Bowles did better in Tampa than I ever guessed. Things change, some is hype and some is the new normal. I certainly don't know

Ok but playing a hurt QB and then letting the Falcons and Panthers back in the division race is completely on him as a HC. Baker isn't right but I also don't know what's going on doen there. Their fans sure seem to be real unhappy with Bowles and more unhappy to see Coen succeeding in Jax.

Bowles is so getting fired. Dude should have sat Baker in our last game so he would be healthy/healthier. Really dumb move for them. I can completely see him getting fired and it sure looks justifiable.

It's the least watchable for sure. 2014 had Cam so even a not good team was still fun and dangerous.

For some yes For others no It's a personal choice and I am with you. Im not rooting for garbage to win by default.

It's the standard in the NFL. They can mask it if another guy is going gangbusters (SF Lance/Purdy) or hope to hide that behind other successful picks (hopefully Tet to XL for us) or hope he is forgotten (that wasted 2nd on Brooks). Year 2 is hard to avoid without rocking the boat but now year 3 looks foolish for this crew so either they think he will try more or it's dumping time...if they can find a dance partner because it's got to be terrible, like charges or something, to have him leave without any compensation. Have to save face in the media and with the owners.

Because sitting a first round pick when an undrafted guy is on the field makes his in-house backers look like fools. 'We traded up for his 5th but he can't beat out the guy we got off of the discount pile' probably doesn't sound great to the bosses.

Not putting any effort in after that first year leaves little hope for me. I do think people can learn regardless of age. Look at the QBs that took years to turn it around. Hell Norman was closer to 30 before his play ever hit good here. XL just comes off as dumb ( at football) and lazy (effort all around).

Hopefully. He has earned it and maybe it would help him see how much he has to work on because up to now he hasn't shown any care about improving his game that I can see. As a project player that's beyond concerning.

Health and coaching makes the difference to me. Tampa without a healthy Baker is about the same as the Panthers and their hole at QB. Saints trending way up. Atlanta is a HC away from being dangerous. Next year is where it gets interesting to me. None are good this year with where they stand today but next year things could get drastically shaken up. Does Atlanta and TB bring in better coaching? Worse? Does NO keep building upwards? Does the Panthers finally try to improve QB or just mail it in again?

It is the correct answer

Im fine with not being hardcore, that's not why I ever liked football or the Panthers. I check in every season and if it's unwatchable I just do a condensed check-ins. It's all out of my hands but it's fun in different ways if your open to it. See there is something for me to gain. If they lose then I get to laugh, if they win I get to laugh next week. You just can't see that and I can. Perspective is like that. I know they are going to pick up the 5th and nothing big will likely change but if Im wasting hope on a sport then I get to choose how I blow that hope. I choose to laugh and either way I am guaranteed to win again this season before another long offseason of disappointment.

Again, you can't force fanhood on someone else. Everyone does it however they want regardless. Im doing me and cheering for them to lose on Sunday. Be perplexed I guess, it's really not hard once you understand we all can fan however we want. Im not in a cult so I really don't have to play by anyone else's rules bro.

Nope. Just waiting for this build to end. I catchup after the games but Im not sitting through that garbage anymore. Im here to make fun of this team until there is a reason to just enjoy the football again. It's been that way since '21. Watch some, tune out, watch some more, tune out again. I have said it before, this place is way more fun than anything they have fielded in years.

I would not. There isn't a team in the division that deserves to sniff the playoffs. Im not a player so it's easy for me. Adding another game I won't watch isn't something I need more of.