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The true worst case scenario. Bryce for another few years and then having to eat dead cap wasted on him. Well worst case for me because I can't sit through more of Bryce already. I still think any potential production loss is minimal and we are already operating off of run the ball, play stingy D and try to not turn over the ball we would do with a rookie or project.

We will see with Mike White eventually...which we have already seen that level from Dalton this year. It can get worse. It's laughable close but still a bit worse production. For me it would be Murray and his contract or Mac Jones on a Purdyish contract would absolutely be worse than Young almost washing out of here. See? The stuff of nightmares basically is worse than were we sit currently.

I agree. They should figure out how to dump that Purdy contract. Im not sure how they could tho. That window is closed, if they couldn't win a SB with a cheap Purdy they sure aren't winning one with a ridiculously expensive Purdy.

They can't completely be evaluated but he absolutely can be evaluated for the stuff that isn't on the QB. Effort, working on his route tree and his technique isn't on the QB. As for him being open deep, that for me gets filed under have to see with a better QB play or at least a QB that has deeper pass ability. Is he open deep because he is good or because the D knows his QB's ability? That's one spot we have to wait and see. XL is dumbish. It's not his accent or personality he just isn't terribly bright. Good news is he is a football player so he just has to be smart enough to try to keep improving his game. He hasn't improved his game and actually admitted to not working on anything, Im guessing he meant beyond normal because we all know he is practicing. But the fact is he came in a project and needs to improve his game. XL will look better with better QB play but how much? Worth a late 1st pick? Because he hasn't got close to that value yet.

Lance came in a gigantic project. The 49ers needed a hit after that dumb trade but the guy who made him redundant is now also being easily replaced by Mac Jones for a fraction of the pay. Then Dallas wanted a cheaper option but he was still a project where they wanted a replacement option. I think he is getting his shot now. He is behind a QB that his team isn't needing to replace where both SF and Dallas needed a contributor and not a project. If Darnold can become a legit starter and playoff appearance level QB then anyone can be coached up. No idea if Lance is taking those steps but it's worth at least a look.

I would take 20th best and be just fine. He has to come with a prove it deal and he should have to beat out the competition. Either he has matured and put in the work or he hasn't. A guy who was worked in the leuge, still 25 and has huge upside is probably better odds than a 3rd to 5th round pick...if he isn't completely a lost cause already

The hop he does makes it look worse too. It stands out from a standard step i to the throw

Im torn. He seems worth a swing given the situation but can he stay healthy? They need to take more than 2 swings at that position this offseason. Draft one somewhere to develope, bring in a prove it guy like Lance and a Vet that can contribute for 1 to 2 years in a starting or backup roll that gets what the team is attempting.

Lance would be my choice over Jones personally. Jones is an upgrade because he can see the field but it does little to open up the playbook. Well not much.

It's his lauch pad throws. In school he was behind great blocking and it's like he ran into his throws that went down field to WRs that had so much space they could adjust and still be ahead of the DBs.

I was wrong about his ability to stay healthy. Seems to be his one strength. I mean look how fast he got healthy this year...

Not everyone. I was and still am vocal about how little physical talent was on his school film. A couple of other posters were too but it was less than 5 here. He looked like a guy who peaked in school and should never have been a first round pick.

Any of the WRs should look better with better QB play. XL has some issues not tied to QB play that is evident so even with better production from better QB play there is plenty to be concerned about with XL. For me his improvement doesn't seem to be an issue with him and he doesn't even appear to be working on it vs what Ickey did year 1 to year 2 to year 3. Not saying it can't happen but finding a new QB isn't magically going to address all of XL's issues.

4. Is still some massive BS. If you can't get over a clusterfug then you can't get over pressure from the play before. It doesn't pass the sniff test with Young as more than an empty excuse. A fresh start doesn't fix his true issues and even putting him with a real QB guru isn't going to raise his ceiling even if they can squeeze a slight improvement in production.

Yes that's what I was talking about. Scourton was open about the issues but kept the who to himself. I did think that Ickey was after him but apparently not.

Huh I thought it was the rookie first. That's even better. Good on Ickey. I guess it really is player led thing

It sounded like it happened on his first pass attempt. So he should be a viable option in thr near future...fast out and fast back in

Just a HC and his staff not managing his rookies like they should. Knowing his MO it's probably the players responsibility. I do find it funny that it came off like he was addressing it publicly and not privately either. Very ironic

Now it's being reported as sprained. He had a fractured in that thumb in 2015 that he didn't need surgery for but made him miss the final 3 games. I 2018 he had torn thumb ligaments that let to him being IRed but the site didn'tsay whoch hand. Even if he was healthy he has looked like poo since his last fun game agaisnt the Raiders last year. It's crazy, just put him on IR and move on already.

Yep. The narrative is that they were done and then he came back. It's the most common take and I see it more than anything else. This year they didn't make it through a series before Dalton broke his thumb and Young was miraculously healthy the next game with Dalton not being on IR when, I belive, it's the second time he broke his throwing thumb.

Sitting Bryce last year was just a pivot in the Bryce plans. They were never done with him because it's always been about him. The consensus here is that they were surprised when Dalton fell apart and Bryce looked better after DC had a chance to reset amd work with him, the thing Frank wanted. My guess is that it still is but DC knows he is fugged in that regard now but Tepper is still expecting things to keep going.

He hires Yes Men so there is only one answer with different levels of possibilities within that reality. I still think the benching last year is looked at in a different light here than it really was. It's the Bryce show, that's why these people were hired and the benching was part of the process to salvage Tepper's biggest mistake to date. Everything now reeks of them scrambling that it's not working...which they were probably giving high fives after the success of the GB game. I would guess Tepper doesn’t understand how fugged it all really is and that the record is not due to the savior Bryce but instead of him. I think the consensus on the Huddle doesn't match the reality of last year.

I'm sure that broken thumb will be better soon