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The fact you still think he ended Youngs career last year vs the reality it was his and Dan's game plan all along is the excuse. That man went into a game leaning on Bryce while avoiding the run game because ' he wanted to build on Young’s record-breaking passing performance' in year 2 after watching the team win despite Bryce's limitations. Or is he so weak he allows Dan and Tepper to force his playcalling? You allow so little blame to fall onto him which is making excuses for him when there is blame ro assign to everyone. You look at DC like Tepper looked at Fritters in 22 or Dan in 23, which were both poor calls too. In reality is just a matter of how much blame should get assigned to who because no one is blameless in that mix. Wasted talk is trying to do the mental gymnastics to prove how blameless Dave is in the current mess. He is obviously one of the issues and the only reason to really keep him is because we would be left with hiring another bottom option given the way the team is run.

Frank was a guy who was headed into retirement and was lured into a nightmare setup for big money. Not a victim. Ohh and he worked the owner so hard he is srill getting g paid. He chose that over the fight at QB or with the owner. Easy call You constantly make excuses for Dave but are correct on the front office side. It's both. The DC ended Bryces career is a dead take at this point. It was the plan and they literally tried again this year when he was choking again. DC and Morgan knew what they wanted to do and what Tepper didn't allow the year before. If he wanted Young gone he wouldn't have been working on Young's technique, Tepper wouldn't know the difference. He also would have had another QB option other than Dalton who couldn't finish out a year. And he sure as hell wouldn't have repeated it this year. But he is just a HC right? It's not like a 'QB wisperer' wouldn't be consulted on resigning Dalton or what scrub they brought in... The main problem is Tepper. Dave and Dan are symptoms of that. Neither are good and neither are terrible. Both have shown recent proof they are still on the Bryce train. Dave's time is always going to be short because he was never ready and all the hype was BS. Baker wasn't fixed, he got his head out of his own arse and was put in a good situation again. If Tepper demanded a pass first approach and he allowed that to happen then he is weak AF and is worse than I currently think. Yes he has a boss but you know what the rest of us do with a crappy boss? Whatever we can think of to work that mess while planning the next job option.

Frank chose the money and stopped caring. He is still collecting. A coach also doesn't have to play anyone he doesn't want to either. Or he could just do it and dare them to fire him. Stop making excuses. Also, him and Morgan are as tight as Frittz and Morgan were. There is zero proof he was railroaded on Bryce, Dalton or the poor #3 choices they have made. Dave got ehat he wanted which was ro sit Bryce and work on him, something Frank was denied. Please stop acting like poor Dave was the victim when what went doen last year was always Morgan and Dave's plan. Sit, reset and let Dalto buy some time. He'll they tried to do it again this year but Dalton got hurt on the forst drive. That was always 2 employees trying to force the boss into doing something they wanted. If Dave didn't want Young he wouldn't have come here and Morgan wouldn't have been successful in luring him here. Both were on the Youbg train and both still are. Dave just coached a game into a loss proving that.

It sure as hell looks too complex for them for sure at this point

Rhule #1 Then everybody else that was at least at the NFL level. Most of Dave's issues stem from him not being experienced enough. His time at OC was way too short IMO and his previous stuff was fluffer up in Seatle. They even demoted him from passing game coordinator or something after 1 year back to QB coach under an offensive HC who ran everything anyways. He is in year 4 of coaching above the QB level basically. He also appears more interested in self promotion than improving his damn skills.

Why? They won't run one let alone both. Normally I would agree but not with this crew and not when looking at the oline cap issue they are walking into in the offseason. They have that man on the cheap and still won't keep leaning on him. Damn waste

A good coach would have won those games in spite of Bryce, would have know the difference and wouldn't have let Bryce come back for a year 4. They would tell the GM and owner that they can have that QB or him if they were thinking of not following his needs. Look at teams like the 49ers or Cheifs that walked from A Smith who was getting them into the playoffs for other QBs. That crap doesn't fly with good coaches. And decent owners know it too.

As far as the head coaching goes, both offensive and defensive sides have issues. Offensive guys get too smart for their pants or are too soft. Defensive guys tend to have tougher teams but also become the biggest offensive issue. We lost a SB because of that and Houston is wasting a QB because their HC wants to build the best D instead. It's all one coin with two sides, both have positives and negatives. I want a HC that can see that dynamic and not avoid it like Ron did. Too few teams run in that space and all of them have had or are having success

As long as Young is QB #1 it's a run first team. Any coach that can't see that isn't a good coach period. Dude literally figured that out with Rico's help and then forgot it a week after Young's ascension to franchise QB agaisnt the only team he plays well agaisnt.

I would rather pay him than Hubbard but I still doubt they cough up enough to keep him and Hubbard. If Rico is smart he eill get paid and pick a contender. It's not mystery. It's been DC's MO since he became an OC. He wants to pass first and it puts him into a corner when he neglects the running game too much. Add in the Young drama and it just looks worse than his usual.

Money makes people do foolish things but with Hubbard already getting paid I don't see it happening from any angle. He damn sure isn't giving this team a discount. Plus the text leads me to think he is already looking forward forward

Him and Morgan get praise when earned but excused when they earn blame. At least he isn't Rhule or an already mentally retired Reich I guess

Lol Rico isn't coming back regardless lol. DC isn't a terrible HC but he also isn't good. He is a solid OC way over his head and another year isn't changing that IMO.

Being under contract means little in the NFL. There isn't a QB on the team that should be here next year regardless of contract. If Youbg isn't good enough to pick up his 5th the smart play is to move him, by trade or by release. He isn't good enough to start so make room and start swinging elsewhere is the only good move at this point. Someone else already made posts about why you don't keep guys who you are not picking up their 5th year option and it's valid.

They made him look worse than Sam. Wilks had him on the scout team as a DE lol

Part of me says a good QB would flip things dramatically and a part of me thinks the NFLs best days are behind them already. Since 2020 there has been a noticeable decline in overall quality. The school level is fugged and isn't producing talent the way it was or needs too. There seems to be more to it but I don't know why. The pay goes up and the rules protect more but the quality looks worse every year. I don't know if Tepper will allow it and if he does how ling before he fuggs that up too?

I think Geno and Murray are the vets I don't want, especially on their current contract. I am so over the Seattle connections with this crew. It started with Fritts and it's been a mistake since then.

A little but in reality a lot of those people are silent or gone. Many had some large issues with it or have already admitted wrongness. Then came the obligatory 'well he is here so I have to hope or pretend' that came after the pick. The poo was worth it. He was and is a mistake. Flat out, no asterisks needed.

That's not why they signed Dalton tho. They signed him because he is cheap, because he is washed, and because they didn't want a viable option B other than Dalton level. That's also part of why it wasn't fine. Their first 2 years together he was mentor and he was a strategic block this year. You know who that guy your talking g about was this year? Plumber lol

Dalton was washed last year. 2 years in a row he had 1 ok game and then showed how bad it was and that was with all the resting and still getting easily hurt. There is nothing fine about using roster spots for guys who are so obviously washed, especially when their vontravt is up and it can be naturally ended. If it was fine then they woukd have another playable QB on the roster. Maybe a guy who could do hail marries and QB sneaks for the other QB mistake. They went cheap and dumb so now they have a PS scrub that's option B and no help whatsoever.

He looks good but after his tape was out there he also came back to earth a bit too. I wouldn't put him near where CMC was for us tho. That's a whole other teir....so far. I think we need to see him with competent QB play first. Dalton couldn't stay healthy for a drive so we really haven't seen who he really is yet on the field. It's really hard for me to evaluate him with the current playbook from a full view.

Yup. It's crazy they brought back Dalton. You have a QB in year 3 so instead of brining in a developmental backup they bring back the emotional support QB who can't even make it through a game healthy or even decent play. Totally normal stuff

Putting the game in his hands again vs doing the run first approach still makes me think they are both have not given up the dream. Just like brining back Dalton and avoiding anything that could come close to competition did. If they had given up on that dream I wouldn't be so agaisnt them both but they did what they did and as far as I can tell thst train is still on the tracks to nowhere.

It is crazy but they obviously still want it. It's why they were hired and it's what this entire build is about. The fact they had the Falcons game and then went out and put it in his hands once again vs running the damn ball and trying to squeeze another win out proves it again. I don't like it but that's what this is no matter how hard fans twist details into some kind of sanity. I have been against this from before the pick and would love to end it this year just like the two years before. Im just not going to lie to myself about it. There is zero real signs that Tepper is off of the Bryce train either...even if there should be by now. I hope we are right and the remander of the schedule doesn't play with their food like GB did. Otherwise next year is going to look a lot like this year but the odds they pick up thst 5th are bad that they make the right or good choice. They obviously want it and I just don't see 2 yes men walking Tepper off of his mistake without a deflated end to this season. Any bright spot for them to get twisted will result in more of the same IMO. I will belive it when they say they aren't picking him up otherwise Im just expecting it unfortunately

Has a high ceiling? Lol