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Lol yeah I realized after I submitted my grim mistake

I think people are wildly overestimating how long AR would sit. I could see a scenario where he sits half the year or so until the BYE and then starts. You would build your offense around him similar to Josh Allen or Lamar, and play to his strengths. Sitting QBs years with how the transition has been smooth is non sense, the only reason the 49ers did it was because they were in a championship window. ARs rubbing ability gives him a floor to work at while he improves the rest of his game and tightens those fundamentals. That being said, I’m still in favor of taking Stroud or Young. They both have very high ceilings and are farther along in development, and very young as well.

Agreed, and I don't mean this to come off as Cam slander, but it felt like so many times in his career, Olsen or whoever would make the catch cause the throw was good enough and it goes down as a completion, but had to jump or stop to make a catch. YAC is a receiver stat, but I feel like a large part of it is how good the QB is at placing it in a spot so they don't have to break stride. CJ and Bryce both seem to do this very very well.

Makes you wonder if those vets saw what was coming with Rhule, seemed like a few stepped away right around that time. I'm not sure how much interaction Luke would have had with Rhule to that point anyways to form an opinion, but it sure seemed like convenient timing for a few guys.

I will bear the burdon of starting this one, I apologize in advance.

I've been a Stroud guy most of the season, mostly because I just assumed Bryce was going to go #1 to Houston until they lost that pick. I love everything about Stroud, but there is something about Bryce I keep coming back to that I worry we will regret not taking him if he's able to stay healthy. I also have fomo if we pass on Stroud cause I love his size, and throwing ability. Ultimately its such a hard choice because they are both 21 and are just scratching the surface of their potential.

Lol this is common, almost all teams take prospects out to dinner, especially quarterbacks if you are #1 overall. I'd expect they will do the same for the others, just like CJ and Bryce.

Lol I said I lived in New England, not that I am a fan lol. I hate Patriot fans, I have to listen to them all the time.

The problem is, "system" guys don't win championships in the modern NFL. Gone are the days of a Mac Jones level of player winning a superbowl, outside of having some generational type defense like the Seahawks, and even then it was a short run. You need a superstar who can take over games, Mac Jones will never be that.

I live in New England, he did initially get injured but was ready to go back and they stuck with Zappe as he was playing better than Mac did even uninjured. Mac Jones or Jag Jones is pedestrian, the general sense up here is hes probably not the long term answer, getting him some weapons this year and seeing how it goes, but I wouldnt be surprised to see them swing by on a QB coming up, Belichick is getting older, cant imagine he wants to draft another rookie.

I think some of that is how good his offensive line is and his receivers being able to get open, but I think people are underestimating how quickly Stroud processes his reads and makes decisions. I know Young is being portrayed as the processing guy, which he is extremely good at, but Stroud is as well. I will say in watching some Young tape, he's a magician, but I think he also makes some plays look harder than they could be, I've seen him run out of what are pretty good pockets and start creating, rather than just making it look routine.

Maybe a stupid question, but why do some guys visit, while others are just signed? Or do they all visit but sometimes we don't hear about it until after they sign?

Don't waste your time with that guy, he actually made a post asking what it would take to trade for Mahomes/Kelce yesterday. I thought it was like a hypothetical/for fun thread, but no... he was serious. Said the Panthers should at least make the call. Lol.

Yeah, I'd go Stroud, but Im not going to lie, AR is tantalizing. Its just hard to know how far he would have to come to become more consistent throwing the ball, or if he will ever get to that point. I do wonder if he would actually need as long to develop as people say, having that athleticism and being able to lean on running could make his transition a lot quicker while he works on the consistency as a thrower. But yeah, I think the smart thing is to go Stroud, I see a lot of Burrow in him operating from the pocket (Not super athletic, but more than enough) and he's only 21, so still tons of room to grow.

Probably one of the best options to mentor and back-up a young rookie. As much as people hate on Dalton as a franchise guy (he was limited physically etc) the guy knows how to be a pro and all the things that come with it. I consider it money well spent when we are drafting our future.

Yeah, Id agree there, I think I would be more worried about the surrounding talent, and throwing to good receivers who are open if he wasnt placing the ball so well. Even if those guys are covered, the ball would still be where it needs to be. I think the GA game showed alot in terms of handling a pass rush, that D-Line is filled with future NFL caliber players. I really feel like theres alot of similarities between both Stroud and Herbert's last college game, they showed off that they can move good enough, not Justin Fields/Murray speed, but good enough.

There's some projection there for sure, but if he's that good of a thrower of the ball, I don't him to scramble around like Justin Fields and rush for 100 yards a game, the passing game looks effortless to him. I think my biggest question mark with him is he seems laidback, which can be good, sort of worries me if he has that fire and drive. But the same stuff was said about Herbert coming out, so it might just be his personality.

Agreed, I like Young a lot, but I think Stroud's throwing ability is on another level. I sort of like how he didnt run a ton in college but clearly can do it as needed, that shows to me another level he can reach in the league.

Hey, I've posted links from this guy before, always one of my favorite channels by a guy with actual NFL QB experience. This is fresh off the presses like an hour ago.

Exactly, the cap purely exists to give owners an excuse to not get forced into spending tons of money by their fans, and to keep salaries down. It’s a perfect out for a team to be like, yeah we wanted to sign that guy but sorry, didn’t have the cap room. Convenient though that when they really want someone they always can make it work.

Love and then being compared to Kirk Cousins seems a little strange lol

That's not true, the reason teams rarely trade for franchise QBs is they become available for trade very rarely. Especially one that isn't past their prime, and is still on the younger side. Any time that has happened, there has been many suitors willing to trade multiple first rounders. If you have a true guy like that, they can cover up so many holes on your roster. Is it ideal to draft one and only spend a single first rounder? Sure, and I'm on board with that approach, but let's not act like if Burrow/Herbert/Allen became available, you would have more than half the league willing to give up any draft picks for them.

Why are you even talking about Daboll? Are you bored or something? lol

So it looks like in the next few days we should see a jump, maybe a hiring or two. I guess it all depends on how patient teams want to be with the guys still in the playoffs.

Lol yeah, he may have kept the D united together in their hatred for the offense, but he sure wasnt mending any fences between the two.