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If you actually edited those games out every time you mention his last season stats then more power to you. That's not the norm as most people just pull the stats from major sites like ESPN and NFL.com. Have fun looking at your posts for it. Maybe you will see how fixated you have become on a certain topic.

Exactly. Which means data.... doesn't always tell the whole story! Congrats we are officially fully circle again. Love talking in circles with you. Data without context is pointless. You can also skew it to tell whatever story you want, like looking at just games a player starts, GWDs, PFF etc...

Regardless most lists are not removing data from games players missed part of whether they got hurt or came off the bench. I don't think people are removing the game Bryce came off the bench when they are looking at this totals last year. It's typically cumulative.

What do you think that means?

It's pretty simple as they are very close. When you look at season totals Bryce barely beats him in a few stats. When you look at starts he barely beats Bryce. Most of the major sites have their data listed by season totals but you are looking at starts as it helps your case. That's all. Regardless they are playing close with Bo Nix right there as well.

Wins losses aren't really on him. They are what 1-6, 1-7 in games he didn't play. Again looking at just stats without context is not always the best indicator. He did what was needed to beat the Bucs last week including a final drive to run out the clock, he picked us apart and he played well against Miami. The ATL game was pretty bad but overall he has played well these last 4/5 games. If you are wanting to look at wins they are 2-2 over their last 4 after a 1-8 start.

ESPN has this qualifier. To qualify, a player must have at least 14 attempts per team's games played Statistics are updated nightly NFL.com does not and it has Gunner and Cam Akers with the best rating. Just another reason why pure stats are silly. Funny enough neither of them remove data from games players didn't start or finish. Weird right?

I would. Give Shough another offseason and see if he can keep getting better as they build the roster. Honestly Rattler wasn't horrible and could develop into a nice backup as well.

I think Shough is playing well. Kellen Moore knows how to develop/help a QB. If Shough keeps this up the Saints might be able to pass on drafting one this year to give him another season. He is an older rookie so he needs to play well fast and he appears to be doing so. The 4th quarter play was my point. It doesn't change much but it happened to drop him below Bryce which you clearly aren't a fan of so you had to manipulate the data to make him higher and just look at starts vs season totals. Regardless they are very close this year and you seem to think Shough is playing well... which means???

So if a QB get benched his stats for that game disappear? Season totals are typically the stats that are highlighted. What you are saying it all true though. It's why looking at stats without context is pointless. If you are just looking at stats this year Bryce Young mimics Bo Nix. Bryce barely edges him out in YPA and completion but Bo has one more passing TD and the same INTs. They are two very different QBs though but statistically they are very similar. Nix's team is the current 1 seed and we are trying to sneak in.

Correct and the defense is probably in prevent. These were referred to as "garbage time" stats when Bryce does them. It should help the QB in theory.

I just click ESPN, NFL, Stats and it goes straight to season totals. If you want to dismiss certain games to help one player vs another you go right ahead. You only think one side is way worse because you are on the other side. They both are annoying I assure you.

It's every freaking topic and they start skewing and moving goalposts. Bryce has been more bad than good. It's easy to be critical of him and rightfully so. There is not need to make it every topic and exaggerate it. After Arizona it was "oh he couldn't play good on that final drive when the defense wasn't it prevent" many GWDs later it evolved to "GWDs is a dumb stat" Then it was he needs his RBs to run over 200 yards to win. Then he cooks the Falcons breaking our franchise record for passing yards in a game (running game doesn't get 100). "It's an outlier. His teammates helped him with YAC" He can't be good teams, beats GB "it was just our running game" beats LAR "only deep passes were on 4th down, take away his 3 deep shots and he didn't play that great" (that one is my favorite excuse). -He played bad against SF, I get it. He played really good football on the two games around it though. I just want to see some consistency.

Why are you not just using year totals? You are hung up on starts like coming in during a blowout when teams are in prevent in some sort of disadvantage to a QB or something. That's free yards normally. It's because without those he creeps above Bryce as you shrink the sample size or some people might see that as cherry picking (while you are blaming someone else for doing the same). On the year Bryce has a better rating and QBR. ESPN just uses totals on the seasons in their QB stats. Shough is also 2 years older than Bryce despite being a rookie. This anti-Bryce obsession is starting to creep up on rippadon levels with some of you. I get he has had a rough start but I also understand we are stuck with him the rest of the year and more than likely next year. Hopefully he can figure out how to play at a high level more consistently.

DC has some Pete Carroll similarities which is another reason why I think it would be a good fit. To be clear I'm not saying DC is as good as Carroll just shares a similar personality/style of coaching since he learned under him.