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Reminds me of a guy years past that Dan Morgan played with, Lester Towns,  rotational LB that was a similar type size and intense player at university of Washington. 

It is epic bad.  Shutouts just do not occur in the NFL.  Much like last year’s Pittsburg beatdown embarrassed Steve Wilks, I have to believe Tabor feels humiliated 

I think Chris Tabor failed to ready his team for today’s game.  All 3 facets played poorly. Even the guys that played well all year laid an egg. D Brown, Burns, Luvu on D.  Bryce regressed, Chark had 3 massive drops.  The OC had to be commanded by Tabor to run the ball.   And lastly the OLine reminds us just how bad they are 

The NFL Panthers and NBA Hornets are collective disasters.  Charlotteans and the Carolinas fan base deserve so much better. 

Far too much hype on this young fella.  Gross exaggeration and certainly not of his doing. This season is historically awful. As for offense it is as bad as any since the Panthers inaugural season.  The asterisk that will also be attached to Bryce will be the travesty of draft capital that was exchanged.  That albatross awaits the panthers off-season and NFL Draft. Tepper and Fitterer took the bait.  And there is no way a new coach can be commanded to live and die with Bryce. He and his staff will demand their own autonomy and rightfully so. 

I don’t know if he is a bust, but he has zero semblance of a franchise QB.  Simply stated, when the level of play by the QB is consistently(I shall be kind) sub-standard the reaper shows. First to go most often is OC. In this instance the HC has been bounced. Very shortly (possibly next game) the OC shall be relieved minimally of play calling. is  anyone not name Thielen. His long throws are routinely off target.  Sure the panthers have skilled areas that are lacking elite talent.  But think about this…. Reich has been fired, now fans are demanding Brown be relieved of calling plays…. Meanwhile  RBs, WRs and TEs  will continue to be rotated and alternated.  But the QB in this instance remains untouchable.  There are 4 games left…. Maybe the defense steals a Victory for the panthers. But realistically this offense is bad , epic bad  I am an old head  this group reminds me of McKay’s TB buccaneer  mid 70s   The defense was stout but the offense was so pathetically horrific, the bucs lost 26 in a row.  I have zero belief this offense will snap to it this season.  I believe 1-16 or 2-15 is the end result  And the  we have mortgaged our draft capital into Bryce.  He will forever be linked to this egregious error of Fitterer. And I am not sure the fan base will be fair in their treatment of Bryce  

On 12/4/2023 at 3:16 PM, NorthTryon said:

Penix Jr.

Absolutely!!!!!!!!

but a new coach will likely want as many autonomous pics as possible.  If it is possible to move down 10-15 pics and acquire another 2nd. Or early Third. And as many 2nds and 3rds with quality talent.  I know Jimmy Johnson built the cowboys into a different team because of 1 trade (Herschel) and a boatload of 2nd rounders, 3rd rounders 

I agree. I think (hope) Fitterer and Morgan leverage the maximum value of their Top 5 selection combined with a comp pick to acquire selections in the second and third rounds. 

I have observed some savvy draft equity posters on here. Maybe one of you all can offer up some best case / likely scenarios with the poker chip being pick 5. I know I would greatly appreciate the shared insights. 
 

and additionally, what becomes the trade value or company pick for the following?

mccaffery (trade only) 

bouie (compensatory ??)

gilmore (compensatory ??)

This signing is further evidence that Kupchak is going to have this team playing with afterburners.  Baseline to baseline, Ish Smith is as fast and quick as any PG in the league.   And does NOT turn it over no matter the hectic pace