45catfan

Yeah, yeah...I sang that sad song about 3 years ago and it fell on deaf ears. We ride with Bryce until the '27 draft and if we screw the pooch again by not getting our franchise QB in that draft, I may just swear off this eternally cursed franchise. Also, it's odd that the certain guys that lean into one or two stats lines to 'prove' Bryce is somehow a superior QB are not in here defending him on this one. It's crazy how they implore us that Bryce is the man, but our lying eyes just can't see it because we don't understand what we are watching.

NO way I'm pulling for the Falcons. If we lose to the Bucs, we don't deserve to be gifted playoff life support by, of all teams, the Atlanta Falcons.

Um, we play Saturday and the Falcons game is Sunday.

Fug that, I'm not rooting for the Falcons.

It was a team loss, because it's a team game. I even admitted so in the above post. That does not deflect or shield a player or players for their role in that loss. Horn's penalty and Hubbard's fumble were super costly. What was your intent on starting this thread with an All-22 pass play? Did you honestly think there would be no controversy around Bryce? Then go on to say if anyone disagrees they are 100% anti-Bryce. Really? I've stated over and over again my position on Bryce. At this point, he's not the pre-benching '24 Bryce, that guy is largely gone. However, his ceiling is game manager level for like 80% of his outings, that being middling...10% really good and 10% awful. That's not my idea of a franchise QB. The notion that we just have to maximize everything around him to nudge him above game manager level is not only unrealistic, but one sided...literally. The defense has taken a back seat as a priority on this team, yet we complain about it. How many die hard NFL fans can name anyone on our defense outside of Brown and Horn? Heck most fair weather Panthers fan couldn't either.

I'm not defending Goff, both picks were bad. Why won't you just admit on Bryce's pick he had a clean pocket, time and a wide open WR that he badly missed. It's okay man. Players can make bad plays. You have no problem pointing out the flaws in other players, but can't bring yourself to criticize Bryce. I get it, you have over 3 years of emotional equity build up in this guy. I admire the unrelenting loyalty. I've had players that I had stock in over the years and yes, it sucks ragging on 'your' guy. Bad games are going to happen, though.

Yes, mainly RG. Lewis was out some and Corbett/Mayes have alternated at center, which is what they competed for in camp so 1A, 1B; no huge downgrade there between the two. Our tackles have largely stayed healthy and that is you key to pass pro, while acknowledging all 5 positions are important. Again at this point in the year a lot of teams experience this, we are no exception. The Chargers started off the year losing their star lineman and it went downhill from there.

Yeah, I would have stayed away from Herbert as an example considering they REALLY DO have one of the most banged up OLs in the NFL. At least our OTs have been mostly healthy. It's been the guard positions, mainly RG.

Especially at the most important position on the team. I don't think anyone has said this is strictly a Bryce loss, it's not, it was collective flop. However, the amount of chest thumping these guys do after one of those rare Bryce solid games should give them pause to keep doing so or circle the wagons so feverishly as they do after a poor outing.

So confirmed, his deep INT was a prayer thrown up in double coverage because he was getting planted into the turf. Even though Goff faced relentless pressure causing fumbles and was sacked more, he still was able to push the ball down the field for nearly 200 yards.

They can't wrap their head's around this simple concept, much less the entire team. I think watching the Saints bend the salary cap limit to their will for years is giving them illusion that the cap isn't real. Kind of like the National debt, it's just some arbitrary number. Top dollar contracts for everyone!

Again, it's the "build the perfect team and let Bryce cook" complex. It's never going away.

Crazy, he was able to get 7 passes off beyond 15 yards, one INT, one incomplete, but 4 complete. I wonder if on his deep pick the pocket was as clean as Bryce's on his pick? Keep up with the insults because you are mad, lol.

I got it, but the Vikings offense was strictly in a 'don't fug it up' situation. So if they can win playing safe when the other team knows it's a small ball/limit the mistakes offensive game plan, we surely can with a veteran offense.

Did we not cause two turnovers? Darnold looked rattled most of the game. Sam got sacked more and had one more turnover than Bryce. I agree that it is a team game and it not solely on one person. But damn man, be consistent. It can't be where in a win Bryce is Superman and when we lose it's suddenly a team game. Yes, there's enough blame to go around yesterday, but deflecting for the QB because he's your guy is homerism at it's finest.

Both of Bryce's sacks came within the final 5 minutes when the run game was clearly out the window. The defense pinned their ears back, which defenses tend to do in obvious pass situations, especially at the end of the game. So for 55 minutes Bryce was kept clean, but this is on the OL? Could he have had more time? Sure. Good QBs can overcome a relentless pass rush. So which is it? Is Bryce good enough to overcome constant pressure by a top-tier defense or does he need ample time...all the time, to be efficient?

Nice refute.

And the Vikings won with a rookie UDFA QB in his second career start behind an atrocious outing by the OL in pass pro. Next excuse.

Most teams OLs are dealing with injuries at the end of the season. So by that token all QB play should be horrific across the board, but it's not. Using the OL as an excuse anytime a QB plays bad is just lazy. This is the same OL when Bryce had his good games not so long ago. So do they suck just when Bryce does bad? Obviously they played well enough when y'all were doing your victory laps and saying 'you told us Bryce was the man' in the victories. It goes back to my stance with Bryce all along...he's a low end starting QB. He'd be a great backup. Bryce is going to have a few really nice games a season at this point in his career, with a few WTF games mixed in, but very middling overall.

I posted this in the draft section earlier. That's a lot of draft slots in play.

Either outcome against the Bucs I'm fine with. We make the playoffs, that's great, it's been a hot minute. We will be there about a long as a fart in the wind, though. If we don't make it? That's fine too because at our current draft spot, the pickings are slim.

Yeah, he had a clear passing lane where he could have, in theory, put it on a frozen rope. That ball didn't need to have much loft on it...at all. If you look at the pocket shot, the way the ball came out of his hand you would think it was a chunk yard attempt, not barely over a 10 yard pass.

What happened here? Tet has nearly 3 yards on the DB. For reference, the ball is at the top of the field at the refs right leg just passing the 40. So the DB had time to close 3 yards in the balls final 9 yards of flight. What does that mean? That ball did not have much zip on it. Let me go ahead and post the pocket shot before the "he didn't have enough time" excuse pops up. It was a like a 12-13 yard pass to the boundary and the DB had plenty of time to track it.

Some sites have with a 7th and others don't. I trust Tankathon and they have us with a 7th rounder. I know it something to do with a conditional pick based on a trade.

I'll take this draft!