Urrymonster2

15 pages yesterday with a handful of tweets but an abundance of people arguing. 11 pages today and counting and it’s the same Please can we keep these threads focused on aggregating updates, it’s so annoying having to skim page after page of internet bickering

If we are losing games… you gotta find out how he gets on otherwise it would be a complete waste of a pick. So second half of the season makes most sense to me. If Sam starts well, wins games, there no point in starting him as Rhule will be back with Fitt and they can assess him behind closed doors. However we can’t forget how bad Sam was/is, he was just as bad with a clean pocket as he was without. So a better OL probably makes little difference. Unless Corral is so clearly not ready we may as well let him take his lumps behind probably the best OLine we will ever have.

Tbh this is irrelevant to how his future pans out, unless it’s something he’s learnt from. The guy has been drafted by us, so how about just get behind the guy and hope he’s matured and develops. He wasn’t pick #6, nor did we mortgage our future for him. If he works out great, if not at least we had a crack at trying to improve. So I don’t really understand the capitals, the non commentary and the repeating what’s already been heavily discussed. I bet 90% of players who are drafted have some kind of stuff they are dealing with - nobody is perfect

I was thinking of the other way round Say we did find a trade partner, moved down a few (missing out on icky but perhaps picking up cross) and landed a 2nd Its like our second rounder would still have been Corral or I guess Willis/Ridder. So, I think, not moving down gave us the best of both - the best tackle and one of the best QBs. This was rather than the “best” QB / #3 OT and the same QB

QBs are a crapshot just like everyone else, only its the single most important position You gotta take a punt at one at some point and it’s pretty likely, based on recent drafts, that the ones who end up the best don’t always go first in their class.

Don’t think he ever qualified as a comp pick due to his years accrued in the league

I found his thought process flawed for two reasons. He kept referencing QBs drafted since the 80s… that’s way too wide a date rage and what is asked of QBs now is very different to 30 years ago. At the least he should be looking at tracking year to year numbers to identify any trends. His only real metric he referenced was games played/started which offers little insight to the impact (win percentage, win uplift etc) secondly his point was that you don’t draft high if there’s no elite prospect. However he seemed to be looking at total QBs drafted with no consideration for success by round on even his questionable criteria, let Alone more appropriate ways to measure. One other issue is that he offered no consideration to drafting other positions instead and what that resulted in. Strikes me as someone who tries the word “data” around but doesn’t really have a good grasp of it or his data should be used

There are physical ceilings There are mental ceilings It’s easy to measure and observe physical abilities and compare against others. It’s much harder to do the same for the mental processing players need to do. What shouldn’t be discredited is a QB who has proven to be able to read and process defences, then make good decisions on where to attack it. If that were simply “coachable” then we should have a tonne of great QBs in the NFL, which we don’t. Teddy isn’t a good example of that as he falls back to not attacking, he takes safe options almost every time.

They are worse next year

What choice do we have, he’s not leaving any time soon… I was definitely expecting growing pains and so I don’t think we can leap to any conclusions on him yet. If anything his actions show indecision, something you’d expect from someone inexperienced as a sports franchise owner. He needs to build up some reliable experience close contacts he can consult with to help develop his decision making

Putting feelings towards Rhule to one side I was trying to get my head round what he meant by it. obviously the results aren’t there, we are in constant cases of ill discipline, being out coached, lack of execution. So to me that means the mantra that Shaq echoed… “Get better each day” So I can only assume that what Rhule is saying it that he sees all the players continuing to buy into this concept, continuing to pour in the time and effort and dedication to try and build up. So that to me says the team hasn’t quit on him, also it would get something tangible that people can see in the building that might defy logic when you only see the field. So in terms of culture building that might be a step forward from what we had previously. The issue though is that it actually highlights that coaching is even more an issue. 1. Players are improving themselves but their play isn’t, suggesting that coaches aren’t actually developing them in a positive / cohesive way 2. our game plans suck if our players are more dedicated than they ever were under previous regimes. So I can kinda understand where he’s trying to come from, I just think it highlights even bigger issues

Doing so would decentralise “the approach”, as the two coordinators would want to bring in their systems and methodologies. Imo the hive mind needs to reside in the HC and so bringing in experienced guys to take over these would render Rhule redundant. May as well just let him go as it’s not like he makes sound personnel decisions or roster building

@Catsfan69 why are you ramming your opinion to every single comment on this thread? It’s purpose was to highlight how stealthily high Cam has crept on some significant leaderboards for the QB position. You might fee he’s not hall of fame worthy, fine, but his statistics push him into the conversation without a doubt. he’s a couple of TD away from Steve Young… Putting that debate aside how about just celebrating his achievements

From what I can see he’s top 25 in total TDs amongst QBs all time, likely will pass Steve Young this season - definitely if he plays next season.

Read the title, thought it said firing seeing what I want to see

Very coincidental that he had a shoulder injury pre-game, then got another shoulder injury in the game

That would restrict movement… What on Earth were they thinking sending him out

As I said, not a comparison. Single highlight drives can offer promise but he’s a project QB at best right now. So he needs proper support and coaching to get him to an acceptable level.

People focusing on Fields drive at the end probably forgetting Darnold did exactly that a few games ago… Fields might turn out ok but right now he’s nowhere near an acceptable level Nor is Darnold, he’s not good so don’t think this is a comparison post

OL - to be objective we should look at what OTs and OGs were available (I don’t actually know) in free agency. Last time I saw an attempted stats focused review of all free agents it showed that everyone was about as bad as each other. Turns out no one lets above average OL hit free agency. QB - He tried to secure Stafford and Watson, unsure if he was in the mix for other trades for QBs. He couldn’t convince them to join us which is a failing of the team, not him yet. The QBs available in the draft would not be helping us this year. So his failing was Bridgewater to Darnold… which turns out was a big mistake rather than a lower risk trade such as Minshew. WR - impossible to accurately evaluate Robbie IMO, there’s too much crap going round. Kicker - at the time was awful seeing people in and out in a conveyor belt but looks like we’ve got an upgrade albeit for this season. CJ & Gilmore - Unnecessary to do both, should have pushed for Gilmore before trading for CJ. CJ definitely was a reaction to our standing plus Horn, but our CBS have managed OK with him. ~~ So the main issues for me are moving on from Bridgewater to Darnold and the CJ trade, the rest is a wash

The one they aren’t expecting

A different way of thinking… Surely if we are struggling with basics we need to be more creative with our design and calling. We need to find the “free” plays where we take advantage of opposition approaches. I don’t believe is reported to struggle learning things, just his decisions when things are live. Dialing back to more simple plays into the oppositions hands as they have a much cleaner and simpler view of what’s about to happen. Exhibit A is the progressively increasing view of people reading routes, sitting on routes. They always have Sam’s first read locked down and we know he struggles looking beyond that. So call something that takes advantage of that… do something, anything different. When was the last time our play actually gave Sam his first option with a high percentage throw.

Agree that teddy isn’t the long term answer for any franchise, but he is capable of keeping an offence moving. big criticism when he was here was the inability to get in the endzone… so far he’s on track to double his TD output he had with us. Not clamouring for his return or being apologetic for him, but this is yet more evidence that our HC/OC combo can’t plan a proficient game plan, call effective plays on game day etc. first TB and now Darnold, so far both QBs started ok, then massively tailed off as the season progressed. Not only that we are getting less out of them than their previous (and next) teams have. Im convinced we have a HC/OC > QB order of priority to fix right now.

I’ve seen much worse QBs score more than this… At this trajectory the offence will score fewer points than Sam/Gase Jets

You need to factor in the fields interviews where zoom... that’s a totally different experience to standing up in front of people