suntick2021

35 minutes ago, toldozer said:

I think you're giving the saints too much credit.  They're going to be bad this year

I hope so but I just read an article where ProFootball Focus ranks their roster 5th best in the NFC and 11th overall. Also ranks their defense #3 in NFC. Their o line will take a step back but they seem loaded at virtually every other position. It will come down to if the QB delivers

Regardless of Sam or Baker we are still the third best team in the division and a long way from second. I would rather have rolled with Sam, get less wins and a better draft pick

How many freaking draft picks, trades etc are we going to waste on QB’s that will never be more than average in this league. It is mind boggling how many bad moves we have made trying to force fit the wrong guy. 

I think we should all admit that if Watson doesn't sign with us, we will be devastated, but we will say we are glad it didn't happen, and we will trash whoever wins this sweepstake. 

Ugh

Deshaun Watson is also meeting with the #Niners, per league source.  I’m told the #Saints remain the front runners, based on trade assets and their desire to acquire the 26-year-old superstar QB. Decision likely by tomorrow.

I am sure this was posted somewhere in this massive thread but just in case...

La Canfora: Deshaun Watson prefers Saints over Panthers as trade destination

https://www.audacy.com/cbssportsradio/sports/nfl/la-canfora-deshaun-watson-prefers-saints-over-panthers-as-trade-destination

If we want to stay mediocre for the next 3 years we should sign Cam to a 3 year extension. I think he looked pretty good yesterday but there are probably 12-15 QB's in the league right now that are better than Cam and you just aren't going to win playoff games with average QB's unless your defense is incredibly good. Cam is always going to keep you close but he is never going to be consistently accurate and he will always have just a tad too much "me first". If we want to be 9-8, 10-7 then yes but if we want to be 13-4 no way. 

2 hours ago, Herb said:

Not having the best player in the nfl active has a pretty big impact. Panthers at full strength are certainly a playoff team. But no Christian, no horn, no Thompson.. having 3x the turnovers and barely losing…

Almost every team in the league has worst injuries than us right now. 

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Been mentioned in here. He had an interception week 1 of his rookie year and had an 84 PFF grade. At the end of 2020 he had a PFF grade in the 50s. Same with the first two games this year, in the 50s. Even Eli Apple had some good games before we signed him.

So far, his overall play has been mediocre. He has missed a lot of time as well. I just wanted to set some realistic expectations as I’ve seen a lot of Horn and Henderson lock down the sides and Donte locks down the slot, etc. Henderson is far from proven. Apple might be an apt comparison as he had some “off the field issues” as well so here’s hoping to us knowing what to do and getting him to reach his potential.

I think the Eli Apple comparison is spot on. Apple came into the league with a lot of hype but never lived up to the expectations and has bounded around. I read this on NFL Rumors and I would assume the hope is our coaches can somehow get Henderson motivated but his mental state has to be why no one has wanted to give up much for a CB taken in the first round just a year earlier..."The Jaguars’ old regime made Henderson the No. 9 overall pick in 2020. He went on to appear in just eight games, due to a reserve/COVID-19 list stint and shoulder labrum surgery. Reportedly, even when he was there, the ex-Florida Gator appeared to be disinterested at Jags practice" 

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I’m confused as to why the Jags wanted to move on from him so soon?

I am sure the Jags would say he has been a massive disappointment when he is on the field and he has not been able to get on the field enough. He was a top ten pick that has been mediocre in coverage but he should be able to fill the gap until Horn returns

I am mixed on this trade...I really like how Arnold was turning into a chain mover and Tight End is a significant part of Brady's scheme. Also, Henderson certainly fits a need but I am skeptical about his performance to date in the NFL. He is often injured, seems to have some struggles mentally and was average at best last year and was not even one of the top 5 CB's from the 2020 draft class (performance wise) . From PFF..."As for Henderson, Jacksonville is already giving up on him after just one NFL season. He finished the 2020 campaign with a 58.3 coverage grade on 270 coverage snaps, the seventh-best mark among the 2020 cornerback class".

With all that said, he has to have potential or he would not have been drafted in the first round so hopefully we can get him turned around. 

All we will hear is how bad the Jets are, how the Saints have been living out of a hotel for a month had half their coaches and were playing 2nd and 3rd stringers against us, Texans playing 3rd string QB, what will the excuse be when we bslap the Cowboys?

Saints offense without Thomas and their center is average. Winston will always be hit or miss. We caught a huge break with 6 Saints starters being out and the majority of those on defense. I will take it though!

According to PFF Horn has an overall grade of 66.8 which is not bad for a rookie CB. They say "Horn has looked solid so far but has yet to be tested by a successful passing attack". Horn is ranked 8th out of 23 rookie CB's taken in the draft.

Eric Stokes (29th pick Green Bay) and Patrick Surtain (9th pick Denver) are ranked 1 and 2 

I think everyone on this board has been holding our breath wondering if the first two games were just the stars aligning. Jets are terrible, Saints played with half their starters hurt and half their coaches out. Texans have a 4th string QB starting, we might pull this game out but we are far from being an above average team. We need to keep our expectations in check, a winning season would be a step in the right direction

Saints now officially have SIX starters out today! Two on offense and Four on defense. We will put up 30+ points today. Book it!  LFG!!!!!!!

Saints actually have 4 starters definitely out and 2 more that are questionable. This is our day!

Saints are coming into this game just ready to get destroyed. Two offensive starters out, two defensive starters out, two more defensive starters questionable, and very well could be out. The backups to the defensive starters that are out are also questionable! This is our chance to take out our frustration from the last few years and completely embarrass them. Panthers 31 Saints 13. We will get some attention after this win and we start the season 2-0!

Saints now have 4 starters out and 2 more that are questionable, not to mention 7 coaches that won't be able to attend the game