tukafan21

Totally disagree He showed numerous examples of exactly why he doesn't have the physical attributes needed to succeed in this league at QB. He's just not big, fast, or strong enough to compete at a high level in the NFL. On multiple occasions today did he have throws that the majority of backups could throw with more velocity on it, and it costs us completions and in some cases, they create turnovers. His game is making plays on the move, but unless he has a picture perfect set base for his throw, he can't put anything behind it, so the only throws he can make are touch throws that need arc on them, he can't throw into tight spaces on a line. It was a botched pick after a terrible trade, there's no way around it at this point, I'd honestly trade him for a 2nd round pick this offseason if someone was stupid enough to give us that, because it's more than we'll get after he's terrible next season as well.

At bare minimum he’d have had multiple flashes of elite potential, something Bryce has never done. Bryce just doesn’t have the physical traits needed to compete in this league in general. Once you then factor in his size to the equation, it makes his lack of physical ability even worse. It was a beyond awful pick that we can’t even try to fix for until the 2025 draft

I've been pounding the table saying we can't fire Reich because we won't be able to attract any halfway decent HC candidate without our 1st rounder and getting stuck with Bryce. However after today, I think it's a real possibility, with one exception that might be giving him some job security. Who picked Bryce? If Tepper forced the picked, he might be too afraid to fire Reich, knowing Reich would likely then throw him under the bus after being fired and tell the world that he forced the pick on the staff who wanted to take Stroud. Honestly think tonight/tomorrow will tell us who chose Bryce, if Reich is fired it was him and the staff, if he's kept, it was Tepper.

Russell didn't get picked after trading a haul to move up (including the #1 pick in a QB heavy draft) and then taken the pick before a guy who is a literal MVP candidate as a rookie. Bryce will go down as the biggest bust of all time all things considered.

I could see him ending up as a long term backup to someone like Mahomes. Will be a good mind to have in the QB room with film study and such, is a good guy so he won't be a problem, will always be prepared in case you need him to step in for a series or game. He'll still suck, but most backup QB's do anyways, I think when we cut bait in a year or so, he'll end up in a situation like that.

That pick 6 is 100% because Bryce just doesn’t have an NFL arm Honestly, how anyone can look at him and think he has a chance at not being a bust is beyond me. Not an NFL QB, period.

Not keeping Reich until next season would set the franchise even further back. Nobody good enough is going to come here, so we're either going to end up with another sub-par coach for multiple years or be the team that fires their coach 3 straight seasons and hope to get lucky on making the right hire then. Best bet is to bring him back, fire him after the first 4-6 games when we're terrible because Bryce isn't a good QB. Then we end up with a Top 3 pick that a new coach can come in and draft a new QB to bet their career on instead of Bryce.

I'm guessing at least 60% Cowboys fans, decent chance it's almost 75% of the crowd to be honest. It's going to be like when the historically big teams with followings (Cowboys, 49ers, Steelers, Packers, etc) play in LA and just take over the entire stadium.

Biakabutuka’s problems had nothing to do with his skill or ability, which he regularly would flash when healthy enough to stay on the field. Bryce just isn’t good, he has had literally 2 or 3 plays where he showed even above average potential, but don’t think I’ve seen a single play that said “he could be elite” because he flat out doesn’t have the physical traits needed for that. he’s a bust, the sooner people accept it, the quicker we can get past him

This is why I don’t think we will fire Reich until about a month into next season. Young coaches know this, they aren’t going to bet their HC career that they’ve been working their whole lives towards, on Bryce and this awful roster. Why fire Reich to just hire a 3rd rate option to replace him? You have to wait until after next season, when we have our 1st round pick again and a new coach can replace Bryce with their own guy. It’s the only way we can try and get someone with potential to be a quality long time HC.

I don’t think it’s that as much as he just doesn’t understand the basic workings of the NFL So he speaks his nonsense non-stop and then when people point out the obvious, he jumps on that train because he then sees he misses the obvious points that most knowledgeable fans already understand

LOL You literally just posted like 2 days ago that Higgins needed to be our top FA priority, I then quoted you and pointed out that he's not going to hit FA. You're welcome

What if, and just hear me out, he just isn't a good QB

All of this, I’ve been saying it for weeks I think most likely scenario is they are both brought back for next year, but both are gone by Week 6, if not earlier. You’re just not going to get quality candidates interested in the jobs with the outlook of next year unless Bryce drastically improves over the rest of the season (and if that happens, it’s harder to fire Reich anyways). Everyone wants the quick fix, but sometimes you just have to take your lumps and grow. We’re taking our lumps next year, don’t put that on a new HC and GM and ruin them too, you let the creators of this mess go down with the ship. Draft a new QB with our first in 2025, trade Bryce for whatever anyone will give us, and move on from this terrible chapter in franchise history

Higgins is essentially only an option if we trade Burns Bengals aren't likely to let him hit FA, if he does, then sure, he's our top target. But they're almost assuredly going to tag and trade him, and we don't have the draft picks to make that trade (no way in hell should we be trading any future 1st round picks at the moment). Hence, only way we have a chance at him is if we try and trade Burns to them for Higgins and picks or trade Burns for picks and use one to trade for Higgins. Also, if we're going the trade route, I think I more likely lean towards trying to go after Aiyuk (who the 49ers are likely to trade as they won't be able to keep him long term with all their other big contracts) over Higgins, as I feel like he has a little more wiggle/quickness to his game than Higgins, but I'd be happy with either if we could.

Gabbert has a SB ring and has put together a long career in the NFL Taking Bryce over Stroud is closer to if we were to have taken Jake Locker over Cam

Texans don't totally count for firing a HC 3 years in a row, since part of the reason they did it, was because they knew they were going to get Ryans as he's a team legend and wanted to go there (they also got a ton of bad PR from doing it 3 years in a row though too). There 1000% will be better openings if Frank is gone than we would be with Bryce First, unless the Chargers make a run to the AFC championship game, Staley is gone, and an opening with Herbert is automatically the most attractive job out there. I think the Bears fire their HC too, especially if they end up with the top pick thanks to us, they're going to want an offensive minded HC for their new QB, so that's more attractive for the type of coach we want. Raiders are still the Raiders, more attractive Washington has a new owner who might make it more attractive than working with Tepper (and Rivera is gone for sure) I could also see the Giants ending up in a position to draft a new QB to replace Jones, if they're that bad, Daboll could get the boot too, and they'd be more attractive. Then who knows if there will be other unexpected firings, like if the Cardinals replace Kyler with a top pick, they could also decide to make a change after just 1 year to a more offensive minded HC. Or if the Patriots and Belichek part ways, they're the freaking Patriots, we're the Panthers. There is no scenario where we are an attractive HC opening this offseason unless there ends up only being like 1 or 2 other openings out there, and then by default there would be more interest, but the top candidates might decide to just wait a year.

That's the problem and it's what I've said for a couple weeks now as people have called for Frank's head. We're stuck with Bryce as our starter next year, no question about it, but if he's still not good and we get a Top 5 pick again, we 100% can and will replace him. That's why I just think we have to keep Reich around, we don't want to get stuck with sub par HC candidates because they're the only ones who will come here right now. While at the same time, we also don't want to be the team that fires a HC 3 seasons in a row, so it's not like you can just say we'll replace the HC again after next season.

If he wanted to be our coach, he'd have done it this past offseason when we had an opening and wanted him. We're unequivocally worse right now and are saddled with a QB who is looking like a bust, why would he turn down the likely elite positions he's going to be offered for that if he turned us down in a better place last year?

It's working because Rivera, for all his faults as a gameday coach, is a leader of men whose players love him. There's a reason EB has never gotten that HC job, it's because he has a reputation around the league for not getting along with players, and GMs/Owners know that doesn't really work for most new HC's. We need the right coach for Bryce, and EB aint it

He's Josh McDaniels part 2 Never has gotten along with his players but was a great X's and O's coach who got results because of that. Problem is that works for an OC when they're with a strong leader as a HC that the team will follow (such as Belichick, Reid, Rivera). It doesn't work when you are the HC, because then your players hate you and don't want to play for you and your abrasive style of coaching.

Ben Johnson is going to have his pick of jobs this offseason Tepper won't be able to offer him enough to turn down the potential of coaching Herbert or one of the teams with a pick to take a QB in the draft to coach this dumpster fire with a high school player sized QB.

If you want to call that on 2nd down when we were on our own side of the 50, sure, go for it. But once we crossed the 50, goal #1 should have been to get into reasonable FG range. It was the wrong call for that point in the game and it made for a much tougher 3rd down play, the whole game was horrible, but I think that call could have been the killer, especially with how we were actually moving the ball on that drive for once.

Was the 2nd down go route That's when we needed to just pick up a 5 yard play, it would have made 3rd down more manageable, it would have allowed to potentially go for it on 4th and 5, or it would have been a more reasonable attempt at a 54 yard FG instead. But running that go route was about the worst play call and/or decision by Bryce imaginable at that time, we had been working it down the field on short throws pretty well up until then, should have done another there.

They also all had many flashes of elite potential in those early games, even if they lost and had INTs Bryce has maybe 2 or 3 plays like that in the entire season, it’s embarrassingly bad for a #1 overall pick