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https://fxtwitter.com/josephperson/status/1743661991976108176?s=46

Schefter’s report confirmed by Joe Person. 
 

Tepper apparently used this same firm to hire the Charlotte FC coach and they’ve also helped the Rams, 49ers and Atlanta in recent years with their hires. He also confirms that Dan Morgan will be apart of the transition regardless of what happens with Fitterer (which reads to me like he’s gone). 

(Can somebody help me figure out how to embed tweets? They used to auto embed for me but they aren’t anymore)

Eh, this doesn’t sound definitive. I wouldn’t personally get as hung up on that part as I would the parts where she says he might not keep his job and “Carolina could be starting anew”.  
 

Plus as I put in another thread; Schefter is reporting that Tepper is using a hiring firm and that his sources believe Scott is likely out. It’s not a source off, but they’re saying similar things. 
 

So without getting caught up on a few word differences here and there the reporting for the past few weeks whether it’s locally or nationally has implied that Scott is likely on his way out, which is the important part. 

6 minutes ago, beo said:

Wording is a lil different from the OP. "retained a search firm?" So it's the same one from last year that got us Frank Reich?

I mean the fact that there’s a search firm at all is different from last year. The last two coaching searches, Tepper never employed a search firm and opted for a group of people inside the building to help him:

Last year its was reportedly: Scott, Dan, Kristi Coleman (Team President), himself and Nicole (and maybe Samir I don’t remember)

For the Matt Rhule year it was just Tepper and Hurney. 

10 minutes ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

Bryce Young is a high character person? That must have been why he refused to throw or run at the combine and packed on all that water weight to tip the scale in his favor. Not blaming Bryce for gaming the system, but to call him a high character individual is a stretch.

What do you have against this dude lmaooo. There have been so many presumptive number 1 picks who have not thrown or participated in the combine in favor of working out at their pro days. Hell, there have been guys who weren't number 1 picks who have chosen not to workout at the combine.  That has absolutely nothing to do with his character. 

Im giving Bryce another year to see if the roster/scheme improves before calling him a bust. Year 1 is too early to call it for most players IMO, but especially for a QB in the middle of the mess that is our organization.

32 minutes ago, ncfan said:

https://x.com/josinaanderson/status/1742956305000607831?s=46
 

 

No disrespect to Josina but idk man I don’t buy it. Like yeah, I could see Tepper trying to hire him but at the same time he spent his whole press conference talking about how he wants somebody that’ll be here for the next 30 years or whatever the quote was. It’s also widely known how much of a boner he has for Ben Johnson so I feel like if anything, Bill is one of many fall back options. All the other insiders and local guys have been pointing at young OC’s and more recently, Dan Quinn. 
 

Part of me also won’t believe Bill is out of NE until it’s official lol. 

19 minutes ago, frankw said:

This is ultimately a redundant thread I agree.

I can agree some of the Stroud talk has become unhealthy. Unfortunately for those who want to move on that is going nowhere for at least another year or two. Even the guy himself is aware of it and has rubbed our noses in it. Have to both accept the outcome and understand it will remain a major topic of discussion going forward as long as our franchise is stuck in the mud.

I don't think most people are "opposed" to BY as much as they are disappointed just how statistically horrendous he has been regardless of extenuating circumstances. We have to acknowledge the fact that for him to make a full 180 from here and become a franchise QB would go on to become one of the most miraculous career turnarounds in decades. Best case scenario from here is he becomes a decent starter and we still draft competition for him down the line.

Yeah I think this is fair. I think it's valid to be disappointed with his play because I think we all expected better. For me though, the thing I kind of take issue with within the fan base, whether it's on here or twitter or wherever; is the vibe that people would much rather see him fail to be 'right' about Stroud or whatever as opposed to just hoping he improves and we don't have to be in position to draft another QB anytime soon. I think for me its like, if you didn't love him as a prospect that's cool, hell even if you think he has a minuscule chance to become a franchise QB that's fine too but even if I were personally in either of those camps, I'd still be hoping like hell he can turn it around so we aren't in QB purgatory forever.  He's here, he'll be here for at least another season or two, so we'd be better off hoping a good coach can get the best out of him as opposed to sulking and whining over Stroud, Richardson, etc. 

But again maybe it's just a me thing. Just like how I don't hate Tepper with every fiber in my being like some do. I think he's been a bad owner but I don't hate him. And even though I hoped for a better rookie season from Bryce, I just can't bring myself to go "well it's over he's a bust we're screwed" after one season with how awful the whole organization has been this year. Next season for him big though and I'm hoping that with a good coach and hopefully an improved roster Bryce can become the franchise guy we'd hoped for. 

This is a corny post lol.

Just say you think he should clean up his footwork without all the corny theatrics. We all know it’s something he needs to work on and it’s something that can be fixed with coaching. Y’all gotta let Stroud go, no amount of complaining is undoing the draft. I’ve never seen a fanbase be so vehemently opposed to a rookie QB after a rough first season. I’d understand it better if he sucked in year 2 or 3 but his career is just starting. Everybody doesn’t develop at the same rate. 
 

If we get a good coach and some stability in here and he still sucks, fine tee off on him but for now….idk man you gotta let that hurt go lol. 

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

FYI: Rumor from Jeremy Fowler today that Tepper may wait until the head coaching hire process is done before doing anything with the GM.

Apparently also some talk of Dan Quinn as a head coaching possibility.

Well….like sure but also this sounds dumb. I don’t care if you hire the GM after the HC as long as they’re hired in the same cycle and have aligned visions. However…..if his idea is to hire the coach first and let them decide if they wanna work with Fitterer, that shows he hasn’t learned a thing. 
 

Going into a search with both jobs open and happening to hire one before the other is whatever. But having one job open and having the other guy in limbo just because you like them is so stupid. This team needs a clean slate and to hire people the right way for once. 

19 minutes ago, Selltheteamtepper said:

The resources would be more wisely spent on a QB who handles pressure better. There aren’t better tackles than Ikey and Moton even available where we’re drafting or on the market. We only have about $40 million to spend, and teams don’t let good tackles walk. If Bryce needs the Ravens line to be serviceable then he’s not it. There’s only like 5 good lines in the league and they take years to construct. 

Y’all got to stop being on here acting like they’re gonna spend cap space on another QB and give up on their guy after 1 year lol. Look, I get it he hasn’t lit the world on fire year 1 but it’d be foolish to spend money on another QB just to feign the idea of “competition” when resources can be allocated to fix the millions of holes on this roster. I think the tackles will be fine but they HAVE to fix the interior. It’s crucial with a smaller QB. 

They should go out and get a good G/C in Free Agency and try to get a Calvin Ridley, Hollywood Brown, Michael Pittman tier WR if Higgins gets tagged. Then double down on those positions in the draft. I’d like to see them look at Bryce Huff at Edge and another corner too. 
 

I also think scheme can help cover up some of our issues too. Houston was projected to have a terrible O-line coming into the season but Slowik’s scheme has covered for some of that. 

https://x.com/panthersontap/status/1742527193303884052?s=46

A lot of these insiders have been saying they think he’ll get fired so I’m leaning in that direction. I’m sure Joe Person or Jonathan Jones will put out something Sunday morning confirming or denying that they’ve heard he’s getting moved on from. 

Again, Tepper and all his “passionate” fits of rage this season mean nothing if he doesn’t get rid of everybody in charge of assembling this roster. Idc how nice Scott is, his roster isn’t good enough to keep a job. 

Also….why would any of this info matter when they haven’t hired a coach? And if you don’t think the pre-requisite for said coach getting hired wont be “wants to work with Bryce Young” for at least 2024 you’re tripping lmao. 

If Tepper wants to show he’s serious about getting this right, he’ll fire Fitterer on black Monday. There’s literally no use in keeping him and allowing him to pick another coach after reports came out he was undermining the previous guy. That’d be a turn off if I was a potential candidate. 
 

I want to believe he hasn’t been fired yet because I mean it’s truly not much an interim GM can do in season, post trade deadline. 

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None of this makes any sense lol be for real guys. Also who cares what the current pro scouts think when they’re likely getting replaced at the end of the season anyways?

They aren’t giving up on the guy they literally just drafted after his rookie season. You ain’t gotta like him or how he’s played but please be realistic about how the evaluation process works lmao. 

11 minutes ago, Prowler2k18 said:

It’s Joe Horriz from the Ravens for me. We need a change of culture in the worse way and the Ravens have been perennial winners. 

Ray Agnew makes sense if Tepper is truly sold on Ben Johnson - his connections with Evero and Brown makes the transition easier though I’m not sure Brown sticks around after this disastrous season. 

Ian Cunningham is at least worth consideration based on his background.

 

I like Hortiz, Peters, etc.

Other names that should be of interest imo: Glenn Cook (Browns), Cat Raiche (Browns), Andy Weidl (Steelers), Alec Halaby (Eagles), some have mentioned Brandon Hunt. 

I think Glenn Cook gets a job this year, he was apparently really close to getting either the Titans or Cardinals job last year. 

Also as I mentioned before it’ll be interesting to see if any of these HC/GM pairings are different from what we expect based on who works together currently. Like for example if Joe Hortiz ends up being connected to Ben Johnson as opposed to Mike MacDonald. Or like Bobby Slowik being connected to Glenn Cook vs Adam Peters. Stuff like that will be interesting when it starts to trickle out. 

12 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

What a joke. Was hoping for a multiple game suspension 

Question: what would a multiple game suspension to an owner do? All he does is sit in the press box lol

The fine is along what I expected. As I stated in another thread, nobody will care that this happened 3 months from now.

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

In one of Scott Fowler's latest columns, he said he was told by a former Panthers staffer that anyone who disagrees with Tepper ultimately gets removed.

Don't know the background or the veracity of that, but you absolutely can't operate that way...especially not if you're bad at what you do.

Not discrediting Scott, but him and Tepper clearly have a back and forth going on so even if it’s sourced I feel like he could skew things.
 

My overarching point though is that I don’t think Tepper has been making personnel decisions. I just kinda think implying such is a way to absolve Scott and the scouting department of making poor decisions which is weak to me because Tepper reportedly gave Scott free reign to reshape the scouting department. Scott has to go and they need a whole new scouting staff in there.

It’ll be interesting to see what the rumored HC/GM pairing will be for this cycle. The easy bet usually seems to be pairing the HC candidates w/a personnel guy from the team they’re coming from but some of these future HC and GM guys build relationships outside of their orgs so that’ll be fun to monitor once the hiring cycle gets going. 

One thing I do kind of want to push back on that I’ve not only seen on here but in other areas of the fanbase too, is this idea that Tepper is like Jerry Jones and is forcing Fitt and co. to pick certain players.

Im not pushing back on it in defense of Tepper but more so because I think it absolves Scott and his staff of any wrong doing which I don’t think is fair because we’ve seen them on video making these picks and explaining why they’ve made some of them. Outside of MAYBE Bryce Young (and that’s a big maybe because multiple insiders have said it was unanimous across the board) I cannot point to one pick Tepper forced Scott and his staff to make. 
 

This is on their shoulders and that’s why I need him and the rest of the scouting staff gone. 

On the topic at hand though. I personally won’t be able to feel optimistic about the offseason unless Tepper fires Scott next Monday. Him doing that would signal to me that he’s really trying to don’t things right this time around. 
 

I think he’d be smart to go out and hire like a Rick Spielman type as a President of Football Ops and let that person guide the GM search. Getting a good GM in here is damn near more important than getting the top HC candidate to me because this team has a talent and depth issue. We need somebody who can draft well in all rounds of the draft, not just round 1. That’ll sure up some depth issues. Whoever that person is that can do that, hire them. We have to start hitting on draft picks if we want to have a competitive and consistent roster. 

17 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We were the worst team in the league in part because Bryce Young was our QB. That's a hard truth to accept but it is what it is.

Look, I don’t disagree. Bryce has had a less than stellar rookie season for sure but I also think part of the issue is that we were sold a false reality by the personnel staff. That this roster was a QB away, which wasn’t true and we see that now. Our WR’s are among the worst in the league at separation, the O-line has let up the second most sacks this season, and the offensive scheme is God awful. Bryce has been suboptimal for sure but all I’m saying is that if we get a good GM in here that drafts and hits FA well and a good coach, the kid might be better. And if he’s not then we can cut bait after next year. 

14 minutes ago, CRA said:

it's the NFL in 2024 though.  I think your argument would be 100% spot on years ago.  Players don't get the time they used to get.  Plus you have to factor in the new HC angle.   I don't see how Bryce can suck again next year and get a year 3 as our starter.  New HC will be done with Bryce. New HCs got no time for the prior eras guys.   And no one gets the time they once did.  Coaches nor players.  

I think we’re saying the same thing in a way lol. I feel like the 2024 season will be big for Bryce because if he’s bad and the team is bad, they’ll be in position to draft a new QB in 2025. One that the new HC and hopefully new GM will have had input on. But for now, I 100% guarantee Tepper will hire somebody who thinks they can get the best out of Bryce. So the pressure will be on to show big improvement for him next year. I think he’ll prove that. He was largely viewed as the top guy for a reason, we just gotta hope the next HC can pull that out of him and the next GM is better about acquiring talent. 

22 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Scott Fitterer is a good little yes man and that's exactly what Tepper wants. I'll believe we'll have a real GM with real GM duties when I see actual evidence of such a thing. Seeing a legit veteran QB signed to have a legit camp competition with Bryce would be step 1.

They’re gonna give Bryce 2-3 years regardless. There isn’t gonna be an actual competition in camp lol, at least not in year two. Now if we get an actual good coach and good skill players and he still struggles in year 2, then year 3 is where you might get what you’re asking for. And honestly by that point, if we’re bad next year they’ll probably be in range to draft another QB anyways lol. 

You don’t have to love the way he’s been playing this year but yall gotta at least take the fan cap off when it comes to how they’re gonna handle the QB situation. I think he’ll end up being good in the next few seasons but they aren’t gonna give up on him after 1 year with the worst team in the league. 

16 hours ago, razorwolf said:

Here are three sports hiring consultant firms for General Manager and Head Coach candidates and help make sure the Rooney Rule is followed in hiring process:

-  Korn Ferry

-  DHR Global

-  Parker Executive Search

I posted this in another thread but Albert Breer put out an article earlier this year about how owners have been moving away from search firms when trying to hire people. I don’t think there’s been a search firm used to find a HC since Cleveland used one to hire Stefanski in 2020. So I think they’re becoming a thing of the past.