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Hubbard is so much better than Sanders, what a fuging waste of $ that signing was

3 turnovers to 0 (4 counting the failed fourth down on the first drive). We basically gifted them 2 TDs off turnovers and cost ourselves 10 points with the other turnovers. Hard to win like that.

Anyone moving the needle IMO means moving Burns. One of Higgins, Metcalf, or McLaurin with a Day 2 pick attached and I’d pull the trigger personally.

Seriously, what exactly was the point of keeping 4 TEs on the roster? We don't even USE the #1 TE. No reason to be using 7.5% of active roster on one position that isn't being used anyway.

He's averaging ~4 targets a game which is in line with his averages in 2 of the past 3 years (~5 targets/game with Cincy in 2022, ~5.5 targets/game with ATL in 2020; he had ~2.3 targets/game in 2021 with ATL). He's a solid but unspectacular vet. He should have more than the 1 catch on 3 targets that he had this past Sunday, but there's nothing really out of the ordinary here tbh. He's just not a difference maker.

Sanders is on a reasonable upper-tier RB contract, the problem is I don't believe he's an upper-tier RB. Tell me you couldn't get what he's done in 3 games so far with Hubbard/Blackshear and using that $/cap space elsewhere? I'd rather have given Mostert the 2-year, $8m deal he got from the Phins than Sanders a 4-year, $26m deal.

??? He's played in 23 straight games since the start of last season, and he's scored a TD in 12 straight games. He's a durable guy who had a couple of freak injury-filled years because he was asked to touch the ball 400+ a season for 3 straight years. SF just knows how to utilize him better.

The only players left from our last playoff team are Moton, Shaq Thompson (out for the year) and JJ Jansen (long snapper). The only other proven talent we drafted since our Super Bowl year are either gone (Bradberry, CMC, Moore) or without a long-term deal (Burns, Brown). If you want a reason for why this franchise has atrophied, it's the bad misses in the draft and not replacing generational talent (Cam, Luke) with even average replacements (jury out on Bryce obviously).

Unfortunately Fitt wasn't in on the one deal that was a no brainer...

Chinn is not getting anything more than a day 3 pick at this point. Probably a 5th given he's a FA at the end of the year and it's not like the Panthers think so highly of him that they're showcasing him on the field. I'd rather just hang on to him at this point and hope because of injuries they finally play him at ILB close to the line and rebuild his value to the point we get a comp pick if/when he signs elsewhere in FA.

Honestly I think the only viable trade chip is Burns. If you can get a 1st and another day 2 pick, I think you make the move, especially if this team is 0-6 in a few weeks. Personally, I think it's going to be pretty tough to pay all of Burns, Brown, Luvu and Chinn, and I honestly think I'd rather have Brown and Luvu. I just don't see how you can pay all of those defensive players and sign a legit potential WR #1. This team is clearly at least a year away and maybe you can get more than a 1 and a 2 by trading Burns to a contender at the deadline who wants to go all-in or a team that has a surprise record and wants to capitalize (maybe Washington, they have a ton of cap space in 24). Just going to have to reload at edge rusher with whatever return we get from Burns. We desperately need to invest in the WR room given Thielen is only here likely for another year and then you're left with Mingo and nothing else.

Seeing how pathetic our G play is and knowing that a good vet like Dalton Risner was just sitting out there for the taking...feelsbadman.jpg

I saw on Twitter somewhere that Dalton had more passing yards in one half than Bryce has had in either game

I’m guessing Tepper was locked into Ben Johnson and when he pulled out, had to scramble and reset. I agree that Steichen should’ve been the choice, but I’m not sure he’d have been able to assemble the staff that Reich did. I do wish that given this is his second go as a HC, he’d have reassessed his approach and wasn’t married to being the play caller. I get that Brown has only been a RB and WR coach prior to the OC gig, but if he really believes in him, he’d give him the keys. I feel like Reich did this backwards - let Brown be the play caller and if things looked like poo, he could easily step in and take over. Now he feels under fire and seems to be stubbornly tightening his grip on the playcalling and all the onus is going to fall on him.

I thought the content itself was good, I'm just talking about the advertising cut-ins...dunno if it was just my experience but it would be someone talking and mid-sentence/word an ad would start. Felt really disjointed and interrupted the listening experience.

The ad cut-ins in this podcast are so fuging jarring, real amateur hour stuff.

I mean here were Mingo's weaknesses per his draft profile on NFL.com: Lacks juice out of breaks to separate from tight man underneath. Feet are efficient but lack suddenness. Unable to find a second gear to run down deep balls. Needs to get head around quicker on seam and over routes. All of these you can see in the first two games. Now, he's a rookie and he can definitely improve by putting in work. But we shouldn't be surprised that his routes aren't crisp yet and he's struggling to get separation - those were the knocks on him coming out of college.

I think we should move Chinn there fulltime tbh. He can cover in a pinch like TD could back in the day, but he's best near the LoS and he needs to be on the field. He was a monster at LB as a rookie, don't fix what isn't broken. Let him do his thing.

While I largely agree here, my only quibble is the 5 of 6 key positions accounted for bit. Accounted for in the sense we have someone there? Yes. TBD on whether or not they are the actual answers or no: QB - rookie #1 overall pick; way too early to tell if he's a hit or not LT - 6th overall pick, young, shows flashes, seems to have regressed/struggled more than expected so far but willing to give more time DT - agreed, but he'll be seeking a big, big raise after this year DE/Pass Rush - for now...if this team starts 1-5/0-6 and Burns still doesn't have a new deal, I wouldn't be surprised to see him dealt CB - can't agree here; when healthy, Jaycee is a lockdown corner, but so far the guy will have missed at least 22 of a possible 39 games (14 in '21, 4 in '22, minimum 4 in '23 and that's giving him credit for the Atlanta game where he got hurt before halftime and it will be more than that given he's probably not coming back until the 2nd half of the year at best). Until he can be shown to be relied upon for at least 80% of a season, not sure you can say we have CB locked down

I know you have to evaluate every move on its own, but if that happened, the sequence of events you're describing would essentially mean we turned CMC, DJ Moore, Brian Burns, and 3 2nd round picks (23 SF, 24 CAR, 25 CAR) into Bryce Young and DJ Johnson.

Feels like Icky was getting beat like a drum time and again. The rest seems to match the eye test IMO.

We actually materially outgained Atlanta week 1 (20 1st downs to 13, 281 total yards to 221, 9.5 min TOP advantage), we just coughed the ball up 3 times to 0 and committed 9 penalties for 66 yards.

CMC = 23 SF 2nd, 23 SF 3rd, 23 SF 4th, 24 SF 5th Trade up to Chicago for 1: DJ Moore, #9, 23 SF 2nd (#61), 24 CAR 1st, 25 CAR 2nd DJ Johnson: Package 23 SF 3rd and 23 SF 4th So essentially, CMC + DJ Moore + 24 CAR 1st + 25 CAR 2nd = Bryce Young, DJ Johnson and 24 SF 5th

I think the thing that chaps most Panthers fans' asses is not just the draft capital but the proven talent we sent out as well. Chicago traded a 1st, 5th, 1st, and 4th for Fields. The sequence of events that got us to Bryce (+ DJ Johnson, a 25yo rookie that got 0 snaps week 1 and a healthy scratch week 2) was basically trading CMC, Moore, 2 firsts, and a 2nd. That's actually a helluva lot more capital than what Chicago invested in Fields. Nevermind that we could've just taken Fields at 8 overall (yes that means no Jaycee but he's played in a total of 17 of a possible 36 games so far in his career so are we really missing much?) that year or taken Howell without trading any picks like we did to get Corral.

Whoops, def an oversight. Still not great that we haven't been able to draft any offensive skill players worth a damn in the 21st century.