LinvilleGorge

A big part of the issue here seems to be that you simply interpret words typed as what you want to argue against not what was actually said while you flip flop between rookie season and SB season combining the best of both rosters.

Trai Turner wasn't an OT. I shouldn't have to explain that. J. Stew went to the Pro Bowl with under 1000 rushing yards (8th in the league) on barely over 4ypc (28th) and only 6 TDs (tied for 22nd)... because we went 15-1. You're leaning awfully hard into this "rookie year" thing so let's look more at the offense in that ROY season... Cam was 10th in the league in passing yardage, 12th in TDs, 2nd in rushing TDs with the Panthers being 7th in yards gained and 6th in points scored. Anymore trash tier arguments you'd like to offer up? Because you're flailing bad.

Rookie season being key to uour argument. I didn't at all mislead about the talent Cam had to work with. Kalil was a great center. Olsen was a great TE. Our WRs were probably the worst in the league. Cam still won MVP, we went 15-1, and we went to the SB. Your attempt to bring up Cam to defend Bryce is desperate and clownish. Bryce has more talent to work with and has done WAY less.

Yes, the QB who went 15-1 and made it to the SB with Ted Ginn Jr. as his #1 WR while also often leading the team in rushing and rushing TDs with a revolving door of largely trash tier OTs is super comparable to Bryce Young. Clownish argument. The thing we are doing better this time around is actually surrounding our #1 overall draft pick QB with talent vs. asking him to completely carry the offense. I just hope that effort is leading us to realize that the guy isn't even good enough to get carried.

No. Physical tools alone aren't enough. There are plenty of examples of draft busts to support that. Aost all of them had the physical tools and that wasn't enough. But Bryce is a perfect example of the opposite. Absolutely elite intangibles aren't enough either. If you simply don't have the physical abilities all the football intelligence and work ethic in the world won't be enough to overcome it. Just look to the sidelines every Sunday. We call those people "coaches".

If you plug Bryce onto the Pro Bowl roster you might have a chance to compete for a SB. If he's surrounded by top tier talent with a top tier defense on the other side, a field flipping punter, and a kicker good from 60+ you might have a chance. But that means you basically have to recreate Saban's Bama in the NFL and that's impossible... and Bryce couldn't win a championship in that environment either. What the Panthers didn't realize when they got so obsessed with his "PG mentality" was that what they were looking st was a "barely checks the box PG". The basketball equivalent of Bryce would be an undersized PG with marginal athleticism who can make the basic plays but adds nothing to the team in terms of elevating the overall team. Not a great shooter, not a great defender, not a great driver. Just a guy who can basically get you into the offense and be a matador on defense. Basically a placeholder while you look to upgrade the PG position.

If we're just objectively looking at his numbers compared to other starting QBs, he actually really is horrible. Bryce's improvement has been moving from a guy who didn't look like he belonged on an NFL roster to graduating to potentially good backup/journeyman stopgap starter level.

I'm not saying they have to do it. I'm begging that they don't. What I'm saying is if they're pretending he's a franchise QB and/or Bryce views himself as a franchise QB or his agent thinks he can get him paid as a franchise QB from off the record conversations he'd have judging his client's value around the league then that's what it will take to sign hin before he had an opportunity to openly negotiate with other teams. My concern is that the Panthers are gonna give this backup/replacement level starter $50M+ just to continue pretending that trade wasn't a kneecapping mistake.

What market? He's not a free agent. He can only negotiate with us. As desperate as the Panthers are to pretend that he's a franchise QB if they re-sign him that's how they'll pay him. If they don't, it's basically a flat out admission that no one sees Bryce Young as a franchise QB including himself and his agent.

If you pay Bryce $50M a year you greatly limit your ability to put the type of team around him you need to have to have a chance to win. THAT is the problem. Hell, we can't win with him on a rookie contract. How the hell are we supposed to start winning with him paying him like a franchise QB and having to make tough roster decisions to accommodate his cap hit?

Bruce can't be that. Darnold can make a ton of throws that Bruce flat out can't. Darnold's physical talent doesn't handcuff your play calling like Bryce's does. You just have to protect Darnold from himself and not ask too much of him in terms of putting mental pressure on him. That's when he cracks and turns into a turnover machine. Bryce limits the hell out of your play calling. Deep outs? Pretty much eliminated from the playbook. Sideline throws to the wide side of the field when you're on the hash marks? Woah boy. That's begging for a pick six. Throws more than about 10-15 yards beyond the LOS? We're basically having to scheme up those shots to come on 3rd or 4th and short when the D is expecting a run or a quick hitter. 3rd and long is basically a "gain a few yards to hopefully flip this field position eith this upcoming punt" play call versus trying to actually move the sticks. The opposing defense is essentially treating the entire field like its the red zone because Bryce can't really threaten them vertically outside of scheming up deep shots on traditional power running downs... something they'll likely be on the lookout for next year after studying up on us doing that with success down the stretch last year.

It has a lot to do with it. There's less PT available for rookies on good teams because they're good teams due to having better rosters.

You're delusional if you think he has top 10-12 potential. Darnold always had the high level physical skills that Bryce utterly lacks, he just struggles with turnovers when asked to try to carry an offense. He landed in an ideal situation where he was basically just asked to be a high level game manager. The problem with the few remaining Bryce stans is that they just can't accept that Bryce is a massive limiting factor to an NFL offense.

Mediocrity becomes your ceiling. You absolutely cannot saddle yourself to paying a Bryce Young level QB. He's a backup/replacement level starter.

If you have a sub-.500 team and your 1st and 2nd rounders (honestly, I'd go as deep as 3rd rpund) aren't getting very significant playing time in their rookie season you done fuged up.