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Good coaches are competitive with crap QBs. Look at Stefanski (who we should hire if he gets canned). Canales is not. He has to go. Good play caller, but offers nothing else that is head coach material. Bryce Young doesn’t play run defense or special teams.

Christ. The one game I’m going to (already had tickets before the season) Collins is legendary

Bryce Young

There were certain posters on here that wanted to give Jake Browning a big contract this offseason because they've had enough of Bryce. He looks pitiful.

Actually you can still have a chance when you don't have a QB. John Fox made it work with Tim fuging The Golden Calf of Bristol. Quincy Carter made the playoffs. Mark Sanchez. There's plenty of data on teams competing hard, even when not winning, when they have a terrible QB. It's hard, but you can. Something tells me if you put Dalton in the rest of the season the team will still go 4-13 or worse. There's no excuse for Panthers sucking all three phases. Canales clearly can't figure it out, or he doesn't have the balls to make changes, so he has to go. He's running the same poo. He and Evero both. There are no adjustments at halftime.

There's some good pieces here, but the team has no direction or leadership, the GM appears to be in over his head, the owner has no idea how to hire the right people for the job and gutted the culture out of the team, the head coach is a decent play caller but not a head coach, and there are crappy QB options in the draft and free agency so we basically have to hope for a miracle. I say forget about the offense and just start drafting defense until the right QB and coach comes along. At the very least you can be a good defensive team with a running game

I mean Dak is still a top 12 QB. Have you seen the QB play around the league? If ya'll are too picky to take someone like Dak, then I don't know what to tell you to fix our problems here. Just keep drafting QB's for that 1 in 10 shot they'll be a top 10 QB? Theres been so many bad QBs lately

I think Dak would be really good on a properly built team.

Tennessee might go 0-17, they are that bad. Maybe they win one or two after their fire their coach.

If we draft a rookie in the 1st and keep Canales, we are going 4-13 or worse next year, so I don't get the point in keeping him. We'd have to hit a one in a million draft pick and I just don't see this team doing that. I don't know why some of you are celebrating this loss, this just proves that next season is pointless as well unless we go after a veteran QB

Just going on eye test without looking at stats or metrics or whatever Mateer looks and plays like Herbert and Mayfield. Mendoza reminds me of Mariota, I would be worried about him the most in the NFL. Just kinda that same offense Mariota was in, it may take a while to transition Sellers, some mix of Cam Ward and Roethlisberger, if he could be accurate passing downfield... the rest of this season is critical but as of right now I would be worried if we took him as well Nussmeier reminds me of Kirk Cousins I want no part of Manning, Allar or the Clemson guy

I can't believe he said that. "I can only do so much" Bro, you aren't even trying out there. The film doesn't lie. Completely out on this guy. Maybe we can fleece the Cowboys again for a 2nd rounder

Well he only got one last year, a 5th rounder in CSW. Its a shame because there was so much quality talent around the XL and Brooks picks. Maybe he learned

Renfrow isn't in playing shape, he can't block and looks so small out there. He'll be better later in the season once he gets his legs and strength back. It really blows that XL isn't there mentally. I hope Tet plays. I came into the thread looking for updates and instead we are talking about Adam Thielen's wife. We need Coker back ASAP. If Coker can stay healthy, He's a good #2 to Tet even if its in the slot. David Moore can play for now since he actually blocks and knows what he's doing, even if he's slow. I like Brycen but he needs more time to learn blocking

Renfrow and Brycen are getting trucked when blocking, that is why David Moore is playing. Those two got to get stronger. I know AT isn't doing anything in Minnesota but he at least was a serviceable blocker. Renfrow will probably shine later in the season when he gets back into playing shape

This is why people are tired of these posts. Bryce has been bad no doubt, and he has to play better or we will be looking for a new QB after the season. But the same 5 posters in every thread suggesting that PJ Walker or Sam Howell or Aiden O'Connell would be winning more games is asinine and borders on delusion. None of those players are better than Dalton and he was AWFUL last year. There are about 10-11 serviceable QB's in the world - Allen, Lamar, Herbert, Mahomes, Stafford, Goff, Dak, Baker, Love, Daniels, Hurts (and only because he is playing on a stacked team, Hurts would be bad here), Daniel Jones (who I think is a mirage and will Darnold back to earth), and we don't have one. It is what it is. Replacing the 29th best QB with someone in the 30's or 50's isn't changing a damn thing on this team. Both Bryce and Canales are to blame. The offense cannot be this bad with this much invested in it. Even with Bryce not throwing downfield, Canales has to scheme better and be more creative. We have a talented running game yet everything we've ran so far is very vanilla.

He literally fumbled the game away against the Commanders of all teams last playoffs

Let's start Dalton then since he has more than both of them Edit: My bad, Dalton never won in the playoffs despite going there 4 times, yowzers How did that go last year again? If anyone is moving goalposts it's you. Conveniently ignoring how shitty the QB play has been across the league. Bryce has not been playing well, but so has 20 other team's QB's. There is no simple solution. We draft another one, they have a 80% chance to be the same or worse.

yep. Baker is a mental midget who will fold in the playoffs like always

Who the fug cares, this is a "what have you done for me lately" league and Stroud is 0-3 and the Texans offense is the worst in the league.

Looks like the Texans have to move on from Stroud too, since he's playing worse than Bryce Titans, Raiders, Texans, Panthers, Vikings, Falcons, Saints, Jets, Patriots, Cardinals, Jaguars, Dolphins all don't have QB's, and the draft appears to suck. Guess we are SOL

Anyone notice how Bryce had no pressure up the middle? Mays is so much better than Corbett

I think multiple things can be true. 1. Panthers need to move on from Bryce, who isn't good enough. 2. Bryce will almost assuredly go somewhere else and be way better, we will get dragged through the media, but that's just the way things are. 3. The Panthers will draft a QB who will be pretty bad to average, and we will repeat the process all over again and look for another QB in 4 years. This is just who we are as a franchise. This is why you build for defense not offense, and hope you get lucky with a Jake or Cam type that can give you just enough on offense

The secondary has been awesome through both games. And that's with a laughably bad pass rush

Purdy is better than Bryce. I think if you swap Daniel Jones and Bryce Young the Colts are still 2-0 and Panthers are still 0-2 though. Either way, there are only 6-8 teams happy with their QB play and we aren't one of them. We aren't alone. And it's not going to change next year if we draft a new QB, it's very rare to get a reliable, above average franchise QB nowadays. And even with Cam, we got 3 good years out of 8 with him. Same with Jake. 2003, 2005, 2008. We are definitely a "have not" franchise