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Appreciate the time you put into this. A couple of points, while Jackson has allowed more yards, he has allowed fewer TD's and he has a pick 6. It would be interesting to see how they have been trending. I would guess Jackson has been improving and Horn has either stayed steady or is trending slightly downward.

Seriously under appreciated. I do think he had a rough patch a while back but over the second half of the season, he has really come on strong.

Jackson has outplayed him when you consider passes defended and holding/pass interference calls. I think Jackson has 1 call against him while Horn has either 7 or 8 - and worse of all, they always seem to come on third downs.

Well I'm not sure it's all him. Seems to me he did have early problems but has worked hard to get his life right. "Maxx Crosby's sobriety story began in earnest on March 11, 2020, when he entered rehab for severe alcoholism, a decision spurred by hitting rock bottom with heavy drinking, drugs, and blackouts, leading to a life unmanageable despite NFL success. He found success with Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and sober living, transforming his life, becoming a better father, and now openly shares his journey to help others, emphasizing daily commitment and self-respect in recovery. " You also have to remeber he's been stuck with one of the worst franchises in the NFL for his entire career so I'm not sure some of that disgruntlement isn't warranted. Regardless, I am pretty sure he will never be here so it's all moot.

And we finally have something we agree on!

Unless your a Young doubter (I've decided to use that word instead of hater although I know with a few around here, hater is a much better verb lol)

Not really sure what to make of your post. All I did was ask AI what were some notable QB bust over the past few years and these are the names it provided. I didn't cherry pick anything. All I was attempting to do is illustrate the fact that physical attributes (arm strength, height, etc) are not gaurantees of success. Yes that does favor Bryce but that is the purpose of the post. I could have posted how Mayfield and Darnold were both failures with their first teams even though they have the physical attributes coveted only to finally find success later in their careers but that could be used to suggest Bryce just needs time much like they needed it. Would you have considered that ironically funny as well? And I see the scheme Canales has provided but I do not look at it as working around Youngs' weaknesses as much as it is working around a young, inexperieinced team still trying to figure each other out. Kind of like learning to ride a bike. You don't just throw your kid on it and give it a big push - unless you want to watch your kid crash and burn. The begining of the season they were on training wheels but as the season has progressed, and Young and the receivers have had time to work with one another, I have seen Canales open the playbook more. Seems logical to me.

I can see that. And if it works it was worth every bit of the cost

Seriously, it was just a joke

You could say the same thing about most QB's. The only time you couldn't is when it was a "big time throw"

Not sure I would agree Parsons is worth two first rounders and Kenny Clark and still needing to pay him a record setting deal (188M over 4 years). That is a LOT of capital for a single player. Maybe the Packers are that close to the SB and he will shine once they get there. I just have my doubts.

Not sure why you feel the need to keep on about PFF with me. I've already said I understand what they are measuring. As far using their stats to measure NFL players, I guess I have a choice. I can listen to you and your "eyes and opinion", or I can listen to PFF and the guys who actually make a living studying football. Nothing personal but it seems like an easy choice to me.

It is 8th in attempts for "big time throws". There was no confusion on my part. And personally, I like the stat not because it makes Young look good, but because it shows/measures a QBs' attempts to make something out of nothing. We just have a difference of opinion on its value. No big deal.

8th most attempts in 2025 means he has attempted them more than 24 other QBs this year. 5th most in 2024 means he attempted them more than 27 other QBs then. Not sure how you can say he doesn't attempt them.