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Baker is not really that experienced given Kitchens probably set him back and he was injured most of last year and picked up bad habits. His one great year in 2020 is likely where he learned to play pro football from a competent OC. Hopefully McAdoo will be able to help him keep gaining knowledge and experience. But no he is isn't close to his ceiling in this offense not even close

If you were paying attention Ickey did have help quite a bit. Christensen helped on inside rushes and even on some of the pressures and sacks. Garrett is a probowler and we have a rookie and second year player. Yeah we took a beating at times but I though they improved as the game proceeded.

If you were evaluating him fairly at this point it would be a lot more positive in his first game with a new team and offensive coordinator. Sure he sucked out of the gate but remember when you could tell how it was going to go with Jake and even Cam early in their career when if they started out bad it rarely got better. Baker made good adjustments in the second half. The things franchise guys do.

If you say you have never seen a pro team quit you just exposed how few games you have watched or that you may be watching but don't know how to evaluate what you are seeing. It happens all the time when teams get drubbed like we did in the first half.

We are too inconsistent in all three phases to be a playoff team but I saw lots of positive signs that we are headed in a positive direction. The defense and especially penalties killed us today and extended drives.

Coordinators do the heavy lifting. HCs do the pontificating and speeches. This is the first year we have actually had NFL people in key positions. Sure we lost but how many.comebacks in the second half have we had under Rhule. New day folks.

Wow awful touchy. Must have hit a nerve. Amazing how the truth we don't want to see does that.

I thought that penalties did a ton to derail us today. I was happy about the adjustments in the second half but too many errors, blown coverage, wiff blocking and poor tackling. I hope that issue to being the first game and we clean those up.

No need to defend him. I am just explaining it to you the way it is. You have to do your part to understand basic football.

This is Baker's 4th system in 5 years. What his body of work shows is that he rallies his team and is a good leader on the field. He took Cleveland and made them a playoff team. He is going to do the same thing for us if not this year then next. But your boy Corral needs to keep learning to eventually take over. But intangibles like fire and heart is what takes an athletic qb and makes them a franchise qb. You need to stop trying to criticize Baker as if it has any Impact on what happens to Corral.

First game of the year.

Way too critical at this point. This was his first game in this system and he has only been here a few months. What you need for a franchise QB is a guy who make plays when the game is on the line. He has heart and fire and that is something you have or you don't. Like Cam and Jake you can't teach it. The offense is going to get better but Baker is a competitor and that is what we need.

The best thing to me was adjustments by Baker and McAdoo in the second half. When was the last time we had an OC who could adjust and change the playcalling. Baker was also quicker and more decisive on his throws. It surely wasn't his fault we lost.

Safe travels as well. I will definitely find a bar by hook or crook. I have waited for the season to start forever it seems. Keep pounding.....

I am in Daytona Beach visiting my wife's 93 year mom this week and wondered who might have a good recommendation for a bar to watch the game.

In Daytona Beach looking for a sports bar. My nephew is taking his children to the game and representing for us with my tickets.

Like most coaches when he has a franchise qb and good talent he does well like in 2020. But when he doesn't he is not good enough to scheme around it. Watch what happens with Brissett today.

Gonna be a tough game in the rain. I like our chances if we stop the run. If he can't figure out in the first half I hope he calls me at halftime so I can tell him to go to a 5 man kine and play read and react loading the box with man coverage over the top

That is the thing. Guys who complain about the organization and undermine the coach or qb can still be very popular in the locker room essentially voicing what others are thinking and reinforcing negative feelings.

He did run several times in the red zone with the game salted away so no I would say they are doing the same thing to him that we did with Cam. Last night Allen rushed 10 times.

That is Baker's normal tendency when he rolls out or gets outside the pocket to run.

That is the feeling I got. Apparently when his father jumped it, it went nuclear. Has OBJ been a good teammate anywhere he has been?

McAdoo said he wasn't going to be alone in protection but did say that Ickey has to be able to hold his own 1 on 1 at times.

From all I heard from Cleveland fans there was a big divide between those players loyal to Baker and those loyal to OBJ. When OBJ's father jumped in it got worse. Apparently Garrett was one of the guys fomenting the rift and wanting Baker gone. Fortunately for us we got Baker for peanuts because Cleveland couldn't keep him on the roster and not cause big locker room issues.

This suggests to me the linebackers were an issue as well. Additionally the current defense appears to be more read and react which is usually more effective against the run versus selling out on every down to pressure the qb. Maybe this is my wish and won't come true but I think we are emphasizing stopping the run more this year.