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10 hours ago, Luciu5 said:

You can say eye test, but every stat, analysis, chart and professional opinion I've seen says he's one of the most accurate passers in the league. 

Huh? Are you talking about Bryce?

54 minutes ago, thebdawg said:

While his horribly slow drop back definitely throws off timing, let’s not act like the receivers weren’t equally as bad. I’m sure they were damn frustrating to work with.

I'm not entirely certain our receivers are as bad as they are commonly portrayed. I mean, how do you properly evaluate our receivers when the QB is so bad that he couldn't even get the timing correctly because he couldn't do simple drop backs that any decent high school QB can do in his sleep?

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

How would Houston know no one else would jump them for Stroud at 1. They “backed out” before we made the trade according to this story. If they were comfortable at 2 then they liked both players.

Good point, and it's too late now. All hail Bryce the tank commander. Let's hope the little guy will get that 1st pick for us.

3 hours ago, Jmac said:

We screwed the pooch with this deal.....par for the course.

That's not what Tepper thinks though. He's still "confident" with picking Bryce, who according to him guarantees the best chance at winning "multiple super bowls".

Somebody pour a cold drink on Tepper's head. 

25 minutes ago, CRA said:

 

Kyler Murray plays with a more confident arm. 

That he does... Still, you would think Bryce could at least be a bit more urgent with his drop backs and set his feet properly (left foot forward, right foot back) instead of doing that nonchalant backpedal where his hips are parallel to the line of scrimmage. I don't know how he keeps time with that nonsense footwork. Oh wait, he doesn't, which explains why his timing is all over the place. It must be infuriating for our receivers to put up with Bryce. 

2 hours ago, rayzor said:

or that the texans couldn't match the offer we were making the bears. 

That's very clearly not what Tepper said. He said Houston changed its mind about trading up to 1, which then prompted him to pursue a separate deal for Chicago's 1st pick. Houston and us weren't simultaneously pursuing Chicago's 1st pick, so your interpretation is wrong.

Houston was clearly happy to stay at 2, knowing that it would likely result in picking Stroud. Now why is that? Could it be that they found out Tepper and Fitt was set on getting Bryce? 

1 hour ago, CRA said:

to an extent, you can't really overly worry about that with Bryce.  At his size, he isn't going to be able to play textbook traditional QB in the NFL.  

Tyler Murray doesn't have a problem with doing traditional drop backs.

He needs to learn fundamental QB footwork, starting with how to do 3, 5, and 7 step drop backs. I can't believe we drafted a QB at 1 whose fundamentals are so paltry, but this is the situation we find ourselves in. 

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah we wanted the top pick more. Hell their HC still won’t say they preferred Stroud, just “we liked both options.” If Stroud was there guy he would have no problem saying we got our guy. 
I believe the link you shared is referencing another trade the Texans attempted involved us as a 3rd team. The first one was straight up to 1 but the cost way too high for one spot. It mentioned they wanted pick 12 or next year’s first. I don’t blame them for staying put and it definitely worked out with them getting Stroud.

Well, that's not how I remembered it. At one point, the Texans, Bears, and Panthers were all communicating with each other on a deal. At the time, Chicago had the 1st pick, and Houston had the 2nd pick. Originally, the deal was that Houston would trade up to 1 (swapping places with Chicago), with the Panthers then trading with Chicago to get the 2. Many expected Houston to draft Bryce with the would-be 1st pick, but that's just a speculation. Nobody knows for sure if Houston had truly wanted Bryce. In any event, Houston backed out of the deal and decided to stick with 2, which then prompted Tepper to work out a new deal with Chicago to get their 1st pick. Now, at this point, many speculated that Houston would skip drafting a QB entirely and instead use the 2nd pick to draft Will Anderson. However, this speculation is based on the assumption that Houston believed the only QB worth drafting was Bryce, and that the price to trade up to 1 to draft him was not worth it. Again, this assumption is without evidence. Far more likely is that Houston found out Tepper and Fitt were dead set on Bryce, so instead of wasting capital to trade up to 1, Houston was happy to remain at 2 and take Stroud and still have enough capital left over to trade for 3 and draft Will Anderson Jr, which is exactly how Houston ended up with both the Offensive and Defensive Rookies of the Year. If Houston had really wanted Bryce over Stroud, they would have traded up to 1 and taken Bryce. 

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Jay Glazer and Adam Schefter.

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/04/25/2023-nfl-draft-panthers-texans-raiders-favorite-bryce-young/

On Tuesday, FOX Sports NFL insider Jay Glazer joined The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz to clear up the air atop the 2023 draft—which was a bit clouded this morning by the sudden increase in odds for Will Levis. Not only did Glazer affirm that Young is still the favorite for Carolina, but he also stated that the University of Alabama quarterback was the favorite for at least two other passer-needy squads.

“Obviously, 1—it’s Bryce Young. That’s where they’re going,” he said. “I think that people were trying to smokescreen right now that they’re not. There’s a big drop-off for everybody. Everybody’s bored, it was Bryce Young first, then even though he’s got a smaller frame.

“But it’s interesting because Houston at 2—that’s the guy they wanted. They weren’t able to move up for him. Obviously, that’s who Carolina wanted. That’s who the Raiders wanted.”

Fellow league insider Adam Schefter had the same intel, as he noted in his recent podcast episode with Panthers general manager Scott Fitterer. Schefter said that the Texans were “very close” to acquiring the No. 1 overall pick from the Chicago Bears before Carolina swooped in on March 10.

The fact that the Texans didn't trade up to one suggests (to me) that they weren't sold on Bryce. 

2 hours ago, frankw said:

 

Not trying to argue one way or another here but can we be realistic about that measurement? Is it including the hair?

I mean looking at this he's actually even a little shorter than Kyler. If we're going to discuss this let's at least put all the cards on the table.

Did they forget to press down on his hair before taking the measurement?  There's no way Bryce is 5'10".

6 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

the Texans wanted Young and inquired about trading up to 1 for him. It's turning into Young was the shortest ever and we reached like crazy for him because Tepper made us.  

Is there a source for this? I'm under the impression that they never once tipped their hand on who they wanted. If I recall correctly, the Texans were content to stay at 2 at pick Stroud once they found out we were going to Bryce. That to me is a sign that the Texans had wanted Stroud all along.