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fortunately we aren't the only ones who do it. unfortunately, we have done it a lot.

i see it like the stock market with undisciplined investors. a player they like gets drafted earlier than they think so they race after the next one on their list and before you know it they start dropping like flies because everyone decides now is the time to jump. then some ones that should have gone earlier slips. but if you really have your eyes set on some players at that position, you kind of have to jump because you really don't want to miss out on the opportunity. it's really unpredictable, largely because you have no idea how teams have these players ranked and the importance certain players/positions are to various teams. i think most draftniks feed off each other. a few will have someone in teams telling them stuff, but you can never really count on the intel they are getting because there may be some ulterior motive behind it. aaaagghh i can't wait for the draft.

every once in a while i see kool-aid or chop there for us. i see darius on the regular. it would be hard to pass up on one of them. i keep wanting to have the second WR we draft as one of the first 3 picks, but there's some really good options available for a little while after that.

bye. third (at least) alt for whoever @CarolinaWillRise is

i think it's awesome that we have such personnel experts in here.

fwiw, i just looked at one of his draft profiles and thought it talked about what we have seen... essentially, he hasn't been known to be a dawg.

lol i think that's where the bar of expectation is for him at the moment.

yeah i won't cry if we draft a couple guys better than him right out of the gate and he becomes an afterthought. i'm trying to keep an open mind about everyone.

this is the first year he's had any kind of route tree to work with (no fault of his). previous years he was used only on screens and sweeps. and in high school he was the "QB" because he was the most athletic on the team and that's where his small high school put the most athletic players. Ran a poo ton of yards and scored a bunch of TDs, though. So basically he's not just an X receiver. Truth is no one knows where his limits are. Just that whatever opportunities he got he made the most of. I'm thinking, though, he could be used in whatever capacity we needed him to. (unless we don't get him because he went too early)

for a young guy, even that stuff can be coached out. when you are managed by obvious poo leaders, you kind of reach a point where you just start to give up.

yeah i think everyone saw the potential (not just us) and have been surprised to not see him reach it. but considering the crapfest we've had here for years, we shouldn't be. it's been so long since we've had competent coaching (was even lacking while rivera was here) that i just don't know what we could have done with who we've had. I don't think Fitt was a personnel guru at all, but coaching didn't help out the guys he did draft.

as always, @MHS831 i appreciate the work you put into it.

We've had crappy coaches for a few years. NO ability to develop anyone. basically...who knows? One thing that i've discovered over the years is we aren't as smart as we think we are. We might be smarter than some of the coaches and FO people we've had here (bar set kind of low there), but consider that those were the guys we have had to depend on to develop and make the best use of guys like TMJ. I'm just finding it hard to write off anyone on this team because we don't know what anyone is capable of if you've got good coaching. Some guys can get by without it, but some guys desperately need it. not their fault we havent had that here for them. That said, we should absolutely not act as if this year he is going to break out so we don't have to worry about loading up on all the WRs. act as if it's likely not going to happen, but keep him just in case he turns out to be a pleasant surprise. just don't count on that.

Leggette is just a lot more focused period. the more i look at it, the less i like the comps to Mingo and Shenault. The DK Metcalf comp seems more on target.

i'm starting to get this feeling that there will be a second WR run starting in the early 20s. First 4 won't make it past 10 or 12. The balance that i've been seeing in mocks i don't think will be the draft days reality.

rice seems more raw than he should considering who his dad is. just have some high expectations for him that i don't see him reaching. might be unfair for him, but he just doesn't seem as good as you'd want him to be. i wouldn't have him on the second tier. corley...i really loved the idea of him, but he's someone that he's a killer once you get the ball in his hands, but he's just not consistent enough at getting the ball in his hands and i feel like you'd have to have scheme him into opportunities more than you would a lot of the other options.

i'm torn on him. i want to feel good about him, but the drop that has happened for him seems justified. there's a good others that i want before him just because i feel better about what they bring.

i've been trying to mock us at least one IDL/DT and 2 OL in addition to an OC. There's some pretty decent talent at both. those are just two areas we need to be hitting every year.

their legacy of suck and bad luck goes back much longer than ours. we might be the newer kids on that block, but they've been living there for decades.

he's (hate using this word) deceptively fast. if you get someone on his tail, he takes off. he's going to out jump, out muscle, and out run most DBs. and some of the poo rattler was throwing to him was russel wilson caliber "just launch it somewhere" passes that he somehow managed to grab and pull down. he's a real threat to catch the ball and a threat with the ball.

i've got a feeling that teams are a lot higher on leggette than most draftniks are. brett kollman is saying that he could be a late 1st rounder after what he showed in only one year of actual opportunity. he's seen as someone with a poo ton of potential who isn't as rough a project as a lot of people assume. lots of potential, highly coachable, demonstrated a lot of growth quickly. not seen as a one year wonder.

it's a really crazy good class, though. like there's two tiers of WRs...4-5 in first tier (that could be gone in the first dozen picks) and then maybe 10 in the second and all of them could be gone by the middle of the 2nd round. the class is that good and WR is such a premium that teams may not want to wait around for their "appropriate" ranking according to them draftniks. if there's a run at the end of the first round (which is highly likely will be) it could be that if we're wanting to get 2 WRs from this class (which we should) then we probably will need to use 33 and 39 on WRs. it's going to piss a lot of people off who live by draftnik rankings that teams pick up so and so too early (like when we wind up having to take Leggette at 33 because we'll be lucky to have him make it out of the 1st if we want him). But you can't account for runs that happen. Teams see that poo and react. but basically, these guys that we are talking about who are second round picks very well could be late first round picks...so we kind of need to talk about them as such. i don't think it's going to be very balanced draft at all (not that it every completely is). lots of runs at several positions. no one is going to be able to have the luxury of saying "oh we'll target this position in __ round" or that guy in the ___ round". plans going into the draft are going to fall apart quickly.

I stopped watching in October. I don't think I made it even that long tbh.

Agreed. The thing is, much of what he does comes naturally to him. He's criminally underdeveloped and it's not his fault that is the case. Little insight into why he is such a work in progress. The guy is raw, but is growing in leaps and bounds, literally and figuratively. What will be drafted is going to be the launching pad for a huge career...imo anyways.