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6 hours ago, Tbe said:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article288967315.html#campaignName=charlotte_breaking_newsletter

 

Panthers want $650 million from Charlotte. In exchange they promise to stay for 20 years.

In that case fug you Tepper. Begone. 

I still believe in Bryce. This season was awful obviously. I think Bryce's situation made success impossible.

3 hours ago, beo said:

For those who don't want to click the X link to see the article:

• CAROLINA PANTERS: Panthers owner David Tepper already has fired head coach Frank Reich and some of his assistant coaches. Many now expect that general manager Scott Fitterer will be next, according to league sources.

Tepper has retained a search firm to help him guide his franchise for the future. Should he fire Fitterer, Tepper then would have a clean slate to offer a prospective head coach and GM, though Panthers assistant GM Dan Morgan also has support within the organization, according to sources.

Whoever takes over, this team does have issues it must overcome. Carolina traded its 2024 first-round draft pick -- which became the No. 1 overall selection -- to the Chicago Bears last year to be able to draft Bryce Young, who has endured a difficult rookie season.

The Panthers are missing other offensive playmakers and have a shaky offensive line that they need to restore and rebuild. Tepper is ready and willing to spend, but there are major holes and concerns to address.

Wording is a lil different from the OP. "retained a search firm?" So it's the same one from last year that got us Frank Reich?

In this context “retained” means hired. I don’t believe they were involved last year. It’s common for certain professions to be retained for services. 

I still think he will be a great QB

On 12/17/2023 at 9:38 PM, PleaseCutStewart said:

I know we will want some offensive genius to make our offense not god awful, but I feel like we need to give some appreciation to how amazing of a job Evero has done with the defense this year, despite the defense not having a ton of talent + suffering a lot of injuries while the offense constantly puts them in bad situations.

I'm afraid we will lose him when we hire our new coaching staff and I would be pretty depressed if that happens. This isn't the same scenario as Wilks, who is a great Ra ra ra coach but a terrible X's and o's coach (and frankly not even a very good DC)

Opinions on whether y'all would want Evero as head coach or not.

Yes we should. The league sees him as a future head coach. Tepper probably won't even consider going defense though.

23 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

Watching him cook in Cincy and my mind ruminates on all the what if scenarios.

 

The Young miss would have been like we drafted Gabbert over Newton

First off, no. Totally different situations. CJ would be bad here too. I think even Mahomes would be. Second, please stop with all the new threads.

10 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Even if the Bears lose tonight, they have shown more promise in the past two games than the Panthers have all season. 

I once was an optimistic fan and hoping this season would be different. I was blinded by coachspeak, hoping that things were trending up. I disregarded the signs from the Panthers 0-3 preseason, believing that the coaching staff's experience would lead them to a whole different product come regular season. I even disregarded the first game against the Falcons as first game jitters.

As of now, it appears the only direction the Panthers have gone is deep down in the Mariana trench of ineptitude.

Rather than the fabled offensive injection an "offensive minded" HC like Frank Reich should've brought, the product on field shows a bunch of players clueless about what to do. From completely boneheaded self-inflicted penalties and miscommunication, to terrible clock management and situational playcalling, Reich's reign so far has been far from the supposed "creative" and "exciting" offense promised the past offseason.

Instead, we have a coach who has no clue how to use his rookie young QB and develop him, and muddying waters with management and how perhaps decisions weren't all made in unity.

All this stems back to Tepper's purchase and meddling of the team.

Coming in with his brass balls but lacking any himself, he's decided to not let the football minds guide, but put his own foot through the door with the internal decision making. From the inexplicable 3-4 switch under Ron Rivera, shoving Cam Newton out the door, to hiring Scott Fitterer, who proceeded to trade/let go of any offensive talent (DJ Moore, CMC, etc.) while not having any ability to replace them effectively.

The past offseason, the team had a great shot at acquiring Hopkins to replace Moore, but failed to do so. Now, they are flailing in the regular season hoping that a WR1 falls from the sky.

Shooting themselves in the foot, and becoming the worst team in the NFL in one season after showing promise and even a glimmer of a playoff shot last season.

After Cam Newton was rid of, and Luke Kuechly retired, the Panthers have lost all culture and excitement. The most enraging was the attempt to get rid of Keep Pounding, the very mantra of what this franchise used to be. It feels barebones, lacking any identity nor optimistic future. All former players from Kuechly and Olsen seemed to scram away from the disaster the franchise was becoming under Tepper's rule. Cam Newton even recently said so himself, that under Tepper the veteran's input was disregarded, cascading into the hiring of Rhule and the complete clownshow the franchise would soon become after.

Getting rid of the culture and history the Panthers have had.

Young is looking lost in this system, and while he's gotten better, it's certainly far behind the pace of fellow rookies CJ Stroud and Anthony Richardson. That falls on coaching. The o-line is bad and looking more lost on the field, and WRs are never in sync. That falls on coaching.

From no experience in Matt Rhule to too much experience and retreads in Frank Reich and co., David Tepper has gone from one extreme to the other and can't seem to find an identity for this team nor a proper future.

The Panthers are 0-4. I've lost the optimism I had the beginning of the season, and with the Bears showing progress and hope tonight with DJ Moore playing lights out while Brian Burns plays like a bum in any crucial moment, it's frustrating.

The Panthers should be better than this. They keep going backwards, not forwards, and it seems to be falling off a cliff.

I no longer am excited about gamedays. It hasn't felt the same in years, now worse than even the Clausen era at this point.

I once was not worried, nor concerned.

Now I am both worried and concerned with the Panthers currently and in the future. At 0-4, they face the Lions then the Dolphins. With the track they're on, they're likely headed to 0-6 by the bye, with their 2024 first round pick in Chicago's hands.

A sonata of ineptitude brought about by Tepper, with no finale in sight. Thanks.

What did he say? I'd really like to hear it.

6 hours ago, Captroop said:

I know it's only 3 games, so we can't know at this point, hence the "if." This is purely a thought experiment.

 

I'm genuinely trying to think of a worse one, and I can't do it. Two firsts (and at this point looking increasingly like 2 top-3 picks), a second, and DJ Moore. That amount of capital doesn't seem like the kind of thing you take a flyer on. That's the certainty of taking a perennial All Pro, with a 10+ year career.

If Bryce just doesn't pan out, have the Carolina Panthers earned the ignominy of making the worst trade in the history of the NFL?

Please find a counter-argument. Please.

 

Bryce ain't a fuging bust. He showed noticeable improvement this week. He's being handcuffed by his own coach. His weak supporting cast isn't helping much either. If the Rams or Dolphins had him instead he'd look just as good as Stroud.

I'd rather have the team move than help Tepper subsidize the stadium

3 hours ago, Shotgun said:

he made a good investment buying the team, I don't think he really cares about winning.

This is reality. 

3 hours ago, Zod said:

Nothing is going to work when the person ultimately in charge can't buy a good decision . 

He doesn’t know how to hire people. He gets excited about people he likes personally who can smooth talk him, even if they are not good fits for the job. 

Even though we lost, I still thoroughly enjoyed watching the defense. Winning is cool but it doesn't have to be everything.

Appreciate the time and effort to do this and the write-up. Have a pie. I love these All-22s but don't have the time to do them myself.

49ers. CMC is still my favorite player in the NFL. I would have taken him in FF this year too had I picked early enough.

Impressed

Bryce

Sucked

OL - Bryce had barely any time to throw

Corral - The OL backups did him no favors at all. But even when he did get some time to throw, he just didn't pass the eye test IMO. We know now there is a good reason he was drafted in the third round. Guy just doesn't seem to be that good. Poor pocket awareness. The game seems too fast for him.

Not good to get shut out, but it’s still preseason. It’s about as basic as can be. If we look like this against Atlanta, I’ll be concerned. 

6 hours ago, NAS said:

He got jacked apparently this offseason. Good for him but I think his main problem is playing QB position not physical conditioning. I think his downward trajectory will continue with the Saints

The way he's holding the ball makes a difference. left - not holding a ball, arms loose and unflexed. Right - holding a ball in a way that forces him to flex more. But he's also a QB. How do bigger muscles help him? He isn't blocking anyone or rushing the passer

It's nice to win them but preseason is nothing like regular season. No game planning, established guys play little if at all (and they're usually going maybe 50% if they do play), and the guys who do play typically won't play more than mop-up minutes once the games count. You just don't want to see as few injuries as possible. 

2 hours ago, therealmjl said:

I will echo this. I went to fan fest for the first time in many years and just stared in awe like a 13 year old girl at a Taylor Swift concert watching Bryce.

He is so calm and comfortable in the pocket it's unlike anything I have ever seen take the field at QB for this team. Yes I'm aware it was Fan Fest but he literally has no flinch no panic and no extra movement in there. Yes I'm on homer hill but man this dude is going to be special.

I bet I'm not alone in sharing this experience. I went to Fan Fest for the first time since like 2013 this year. I went solely to see Bryce. He did not disappoint. 

1 hour ago, TheCasillas said:

Chuba has been beast mode… the guy put on 25 pounds of muscle in the off-season and has been one of our better pass protecting backs this training camp.

Really? That's a ton of muscle to add even for a professional athlete.

Reports indicating Bryce is missing nothing today. Sheesh. All the incompletions so far sound like drops.

1 hour ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I lived in McKinney (suburb of Dallas) when I was a kid in the 90s during their peak as a franchise. We moved down there from Maryland where my entire family were Redskins fans.

I did not fit in.

We didn't have wear your favorite sports team day, we had wear your cowboys gear day. They didn't read us children's books, they read us books about Cowboys players when they were children. There were so many kids in the area named after players/the area I knew like 4 kids named Dallas alone. 

I apparently met Roger Staubach at some event while decked out in Redskins gear that my dad put me in on purpose. They wouldn't take a picture with me next to him. 

It's a Cult down there.

My brother used to live in Brownsville TX. He said they have a parade there every Sunday the Cowboys play, home or away and win or lose. Assuming I'm remembering right and he was right, that's nuts to me.

I'm fine with Young. I'd prefer him to Stroud due to his better abilities dealing with the pass rush. But if we took Stroud I'd trust the coaches. I don't think Young's size is nearly as big of a deal as it's made out to be. He's undeniably a statistical outlier, but that didn't seem to matter in the SEC.

Want Bryce would be happy with CJ too

Talent is obviously tantalizing but hell no to a fully guaranteed contract. Deshaun's contract is going to ruin the Browns if it didn't already.