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47 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I said he looks like a potential top 10 pick yesterday. I don't think he will be. I expect him to probably go somewhere in the mid-late firsts. There are questions whether or not he can carry an offense, even at the college level. Michigan is very much a run first offense. More like a '90s style throwback NFL offense.

 

I didn’t see anything yesterday that says top 10 pick either.  I agree that Michigan is a run first offense which is why I saw nothing yesterday that says top 10 pick.  He didn’t seem to throw downfield much …not sure if that is on him or lack of decent receivers. I really don’t think he is even a first round pick from what I watched this year, but again it is more difficult to determine when they run the ball so much. 

18 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't know how JJ McCarthy got left off the list. He looks like a potential top 10 pick today IMO.

A top 10 pick?   Just don’t see it.  
 

On 12/11/2022 at 6:42 PM, Varking said:

This is what it is. The back of his jersey somehow got folded exactly where the middle of the 8 should be. 

2 minutes ago, SuperBowlBound said:

 

I had a preference for Stroud over Young (although I would have been happy with either quarterback).   But if this score is true for Stroud there is no way we take him and I doubt Houston does. 

9 minutes ago, Icege said:

• Did not handle pressure well
• Questionable velocity on throws
• Does not seem to go through progressions (could be an OSU issue as the play designs often seem to be 1 - 2 reads and then scramble around until somebody gets open)
• First two throws of the games are nearly picks (first play he had two open receivers underneath, second was an overthrow). His third passing attempt? Got strip-6'd.
• Questionable accuracy (especially in the Iowa game)

The team's success vs. Iowa also had everything to do with the defense. Here were the results of Iowa's drives in just the 1st quarter:

• 1st drive: INT on first play of the game
• 2nd drive: 3 & out
• 3rd drive: Strip-sack
• 4th drive: 3 & out, stopped fake punt for turnover on downs

That doesn't include the pick-6 in the 2nd quarter, pick in the 3rd quarter that set the OSU offense up inside the Iowa 15, and two 4th down stops in the 2nd half.

I will say though, CJ's 2nd TD throw was GORGEOUS. Absolutely beautiful throw. Was needed too, especially since his WRs and running game had been carrying him the entire game. His 3rd TD was the result of a bad play by the DB, which also gave him 79 of his 286yds on the day. 

My current list is incomplete (still got a few games to watch, plus today's games!), but if I had to put out a top 3 today it would be:

• 1. Will Levis (Kentucky)
• 2. Bryce Young (Alabama)
• 3. Max Duggan (TCU)

I am almost as high on Max Duggan this season as I was on Tyler Linderbaum the previous two seasons. Anybody that remembers can probably tell you that the Linderbaum love from me was bordering on unhealthy.

Still need to watch UCLA vs. Washington, Utah, and Oregon (Dorian Thompson-Robinson) and Coastal Carolina vs. Marshall, App State, and James Madison (Grayson McCall). 

 

As an Ohio State fan, I watch all of their games.  I agree with you that he did struggle a bit in the first half.  I think it was a bunch of factors.  The first being that Iowa has a really good defense that no one wants to give credit for, at least against Ohio state. I think we may have been off a bit due to the bye week.  The receivers struggled to get open (partially due to their dubs holding our receivers and tight ends- watch the no call on the potential touchdown and the other where they just grabbed our tight end).  And CJ was just off a bit.
 

The 79 yard pass seemed well placed to me.  His yards were down because he did struggle the first half but when your average starting position is in the opponents side, that is part of the reason yards will be down. 
 

I’m not sure how his running game was carrying him.  That was our worst running performance in I don’t know how long (running game saved us and CJ against Notre Dame).  We couldn’t run at all.  Receivers did adjust to a few balls that weren’t the best thrown balls, but CJ had many throws in the second half that were right where they needed to be. 
 

I do agree that he struggles under pressure sometimes.  Our o line has kept him pretty clean until Iowa.  As I mentioned before, he sometimes gets those deer in headlights look.  My other knock would be that he hasn’t put the team on his back and willed us to a win(maybe somewhat against Utah last year)

I do think Ryan Day and Kevin Wilson are two of the best offensive coaches, so maybe that has given Haskins, Fields, and Stroud a bit of an advantage over the years.  But Stroud goes through his progressions much more than fields ever did  

Just my opinion, but while Stroud might not be the best qb in the country, I do think he is top 3.  Penn State will be a good test for him. 

57 minutes ago, Icege said:

After watching vs Iowa & ND, Stroud is no longer in my top 3 QBs.

Will have to see significant improvement against Penn State today and Michigan at the end of the year in order for that to change.

Curious what you didn’t like about his game against Iowa?

Who are your top three?

2 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

It’s absolutely lazy. There’s not much similar between Fields and Stroud other than where they attend/ed the same college. Comparing them is lazy. Just looking at numbers is lazy. If you watch them play it’s pretty readily apparent their games aren’t similar at all.

Fields was a strong arm, one read, athletic QB. He could still be good in the NFL, but he has a lot more to learn than Stroud will. Stroud had a strong enough arm, probably less strong than Fields, but great accuracy and touch and he throws well on the run to either direction too. Stroud makes full field reads, goes through all his progressions when needed. He also processes quicker (I won’t call him elite at processing speed, but very good and better than most QBs I’ve seen come out the past few years). He’s shifty in the pocket but not a runner like Fields. They’re totally different QBs. 

Besides, the talent around his this year doesn’t seem leaps and bounds above the other teams like last year and past years. Harrison Jr and Smith-something are solid but don’t scream high picks to me like Olave and Wilson, their RB seems ok and their OL seems below average. They were ***** up all over the place vs Iowa.  When I watched Fields videos a couple years ago I kept coming away from videos saying “man, that Olave kid looks really good”, not “Fields looks really good.”  And I don’t follow college football beyond scouting potential Panthers, so I didn’t know anything about Olave at all before watching Fields videos. I watch Stroud videos and over and over it’s “man he put that right on the money for his WR to make a play”. 

I am an Ohio state fan. I agree that Stroud is a much better Quarterback with better touch.  Fields is a much better athlete. 
The thing that scares me about Stroud is when he gets hit or things aren’t going well, he gets a deer in headlights look.

Completely disagree about the receivers.  Harrison jr will be special. Smith-Njigba hasn’t really played this year but both Olave and Wilson bragged about how great he is.  Egbuka is awesome as well and we are actually throwing to the tight end this year. Smith-njigba may have had the chance to be the first receiver selected but the injury and lack of film this year may hurt him.   The o-line is nowhere near below average.  They did struggle a bit with Iowa, but their online is solid.  

10 minutes ago, Pimpdaddy said:

...I went to that game also..... I grew up in Canton and had been living in CLT since 87 and wanted to get the taste of the Browns outta my mouff... Jumped on the Panther bandwagon then... Did you miss the Friday night festivities of bands, booze and booty?

Did you go to McKinley?  I went to Massillon.  I moved down here in 2004.  Went to training camp several years ago at Wofford and been hooked ever since. 

5 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Always gonna be a big guy but I think he looks a lot better than Senior Bowl pics I've seen

 

That was my son getting an autograph. 

Jayce Horn with an interception on a deep throw. 

Nobody here at camp.  Very small attendance. 

Several years after  I graduated my high school played St X (all male high school that keuchly went to) in the playoffs and the student section chanted “We like girls.”