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Baker would at worst be an average NFC quarterback.

With Watson suspended for most of next season most likely, there's only two true elite QBs in the whole conference, Brady and Rodgers.

In fact, if we signed Baker and he reverted to his pre-injury form, the only teams with for sure better QBs would be:

Tampa
Green Bay
Dallas
Arizona
LA
Minnesota

That's how weak the NFC is at the position.  Only 6 out of 15 other teams with for-sure better QBs.  If you believe we'll have something bordering on a great defense, and that we can overcome Rhule, no reason we wouldn't be competing for a playoff spot with Baker

Tepper can add the NFC South Watson Recruitment 3rd place bronze medal right next to the brass balls on his desk

There is no comparison.  At their peaks, Baker blows Sam out of the water, period.  Talking about a league average starter or at least top 20 versus a scrub who is worst than half the backup QBs in the league.

Baker on a reasonable deal is good value while you pick his replacement in the draft

Karma will get NO in the end.  This is still a very, very risky move and could easily blow up in their faces for reasons posters against the trade have been pointing out for months.  They have such a thin margin of error for success going forward, and they aren’t some juggernaut even with this trade.  

as for this crap about getting smashed twice a year…Brees didn’t even achieve a winning record against us until his 2nd to last year in uniform, and that’s after the wheels really fell off for us during the transition.  If we can keep Brees and Payton at or below .500 against us for almost all of his career, we can do so against Watson and their retread coach.

Rhule and Darnold won’t be here much longer, and perhaps Tepper will finally be humbled and let the football men do their job.  We’re so close to an elite defense as is, and it’s looking like the offensive line we’ve been waiting a decade to be addressed finally is being done.  Trust in Fitt to find us a signal caller in the next year or two and we’ll be peaking right as the Saints are running out of ways to replenish 

if even the local rah rah guys are throwing in the towel, it's truly done.  But that should have been evident here when the few national guys weighing in all started saying it was the Saints to lose even after Tepper spent 14 months on his knees begging.

10 minutes ago, pantherj said:

Baker is not good enough for us to be one of the top teams in the NFL in the future. Having a lower tier competent QB is actually the worst case scenario for the Panthers imo. Baker would be good enough to keep us out of the top ten of the draft, but NEVER good enough for us to even sniff the SB imo. That is QB limbo. That is the worst thing a football team can do. Better that we start Darnold in 2022, and draft a top prospect in 2023.

No more QB limbo under any circumstances. Bottom out and pick a top QB, or land Watson. Don't do ANYTHING else.

Not a fair standard.  Perhaps if we had a Baker the team would have been competitive enough the last two years that Watson actually might have wanted to come here and we wouldn't be getting clowned so hard by media pundits for being a dumpster fire.

Meanwhile Saints have been trotting out Winston, a QB inferior to Baker, and instead of bottoming out they've retained enough respectability that Watson is going to choose them.

Bridge QBs are fine when they can at least function as game managers, and not complete disasters like Teddy and Sam

If he could be had for like, a 3rd, that would be fine.  Doubt that's possible.

No comparison to Darnold at all.  He actually QB'd a team that won double digit games, and a postseason game.  Darnold couldn't do that on the 85 Bears.  

Baker is probably a top 20 to 25 QB in the league.  Darnold isn't even among the top 50.  No comparison at all.

He could be our Jimmy G until we drafted and groomed his replacement.  

Just now, Proudiddy said:

I haven't wrote any poo comparable to what I'm writing tonight in length or content.  I'm tired of the bullshit.

Teppers dumbass has backed us in a corner and the chickens are coming home to roost.  He has chased after Watson for over a year after humiliating the most impactful player in the history of our franchise, which is what led us down the fuged up road we're on with Darnold eating up 18 mil in cap and us missing a 2nd and 4th round pick this year.  And now he's about to get left at the altar because of the shitty ass decisions he's made since assuming ownership, especially the coach he picked and the proceeding dysfunction that resulted from that.  We can't ever get ahead because of the fuging clueless idiots that run this organization.

At least we usually got a winning season every other season on average under JR.  Tepper is about to have us motorboating the flooded NFL basement for the next decade while embarrassing us in the process at every fuging turn...  all while he dips his well-done steak in fuging ketchup, all before he decides his struggles are our fault in a few years and packs up and moves the franchise somewhere else.

fug him and his fortune he made off fuging over the same exact people that comprise the majority of the fanbase - everyday people.

He's a fuging idiot.

A-fuggin-men.

Tepper is just another in a long line of American rent-seekers with no actual talent or acumen at anything useful in life, that becomes apparent when they try their hand at anything else.

7 minutes ago, joemac said:

Exactly.  Apparently Houston is more than willing to just let Watson sit on the bench for another year and eat his salary.  They're not going to take pennies on the dollar just because he wants to go somewhere like Atlanta.  So, that no trade clause aint all its cracked up to be.  He could say "I will not accept a trade anywhere but Atlanta" and Houston could say "Have fun playing Safety on the Practice Squad for the next 4 years". 

Maybe not pennies on the dollar but probably 75c on the dollar versus sitting him another year in which has value then decreases to that 75c anyways.  

can't remember the last QB free agent who made their search all diva'd like this who actually then won anything for the team they chose

Just now, Proudiddy said:

He still controls where he goes with the NTC.  So why is he meeting with teams he knows will be completely gutted if they somehow can put together enough assets to even make the trade for him?  Or teams that in reality, have no way to clear the cap space for him?

At this point, the longer he strings it out, the less assets we can add to help (like Armstead) if we're waiting on him, and the more he drives up the price for whatever team he agrees to go to.  And say HOU likes our offer the best...  he can still tell them, after having met with us, that he doesn't want to come here.  It just doesn't make sense.

It's not just about assets, it might just be about getting more $$$ on an immediate contract re-structure.  If it was just about winning he'd have narrowed it down by now so teams wouldn't have to bid against others. He clearly wants to get paid as much as possible, which is fine, but is going to be hell for whoever gets him when they won't even have draft picks for a while.

it hurts the ego to see him go to the Saints if you're on of those fans who got your hopes up for a year maybe, but there are no shortcuts in the NFL.  Saints get one or two cracks at the ring before DW is making $55 million a year (it's clear he wants to get paaaaaaid and takes these meetings as a way to pressure his preferred team to up their offer) and they lose their talent with no means to replace them,  while we build up a pretty good defense alongside finally addressing the offensive line, and then we'll be set by bringing in a veteran QB or drafting a rookie.  This is better in the long run even if it doesn't look like it

If you want to see 25 years of a brash, impulsive, arrogant, and football clueless owner, just look to the Jets.  That's our future now

Regarding the meetings:

Saints sent a league wide respected executive who's built multiple playoff contenders over 15 years.

We show up with an owner who's oversaw a bottom 5 loser for half a decade and the lame duck coach he overpaid for.  But he has brass balls on his desk!  

Don't have to read between the lines here

Just now, *FreeFua* said:

 

A year of Tepper begging on his knees and we aren't even in his top 2.  That about says it all

1 minute ago, travisura said:

Yeah makes all the sense in the world to further gut the team you're gonna end up playing for. Solid logic there.

pronoun error, they not he, Texans are driving this for the Saints, where Rap and others are reporting is DW's preferred destination, to up their price

yeah he's not actually going to Atlanta he's just driving up the price for the Saints

Hilarious that Tepper has been begging like a dog for over a year and we're not likely even in his top 2 by the time it's all said and done.

Draft a QB this year or next like everybody else

Not coming here, he's heard our pitch and isn't interested.  Pull the offer before available FAs sign elsewhere and quit wasting time

So best case scenario we're essentially giving up FIVE first round picks for one player who we'll be paying more than 15% of the cap to sooner or later, with a worse roster than the one that just won 5 games in back to back seasons?  Tell me how that's not killing the franchise

Immediate reworking of contract is probably the only trump card we have over NO.  Kind of annoying to have to pay him $50 million right away when we'll need FA more than ever if he signs here.  I guess when your roster isn't competitive and your coach is a lame duck you have to.   I see no chance of us contending for 3 more seasons without Fitt having an extraordinary good performance in drafting the mid to late rounders

If he goes to the Browns you just laugh.

18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Just to put it out there, I'm almost certain this person has been banned repeatedly for acting like a source and putting out utterly fake info.

15 pies and counting when a moderator is literally telling people it's a troll writing fiction.

Come on people don't do this to yourselves

18 minutes ago, scratched said:

I just love how all these people are mad because our ownership is trying to get a 26 year old top 5 QB on our roster. The same people argues that we weren't able to get Stafford or someone else last year! You also speak about how no one wants to play for the Panthers. Now we are trying to get a true FRANCHISE QB and your mad because we are having to give up the farm to get him? How else are we gonna get him or anybody else? Some Panthers fans are hilarious! GO GET HIM!!!!! We are 3 years or longer away from winning without him. We immediately have a chance with him!

 

You can and should be mad at ownership for botching 2019 through 2022 off seasons and hires such that they can’t even attract the QBs they want.  With all the high picks and inherited players Carolina at worst should be a loaded roster that is a QB away from winning.  Instead they aren’t even close to that

Objectively looking at it, the one trump card Tepper actually could offer, irresponsible as it is, is letting Watson pick the next staff.  If fatboy Rhule is along for the trip however, clearly that’s not actually on the table

Philly is the one team that can blow us out of the water without Tepper being able to counter, and actually acquire DW without gutting their future.  I refuse to believe they aren’t going to try for him