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2 hours ago, BeenPounding said:

Agreed that Byrd gets it over Shi.  Shi isn't as good on ST.

Judging by quotes from Corbet and other linemen I'm 98% positive that Nash Jensen makes the roster.  He is one that can play all 5 positions.  If he can hold it down better than Cam Irving I'm sold.  McCray will make the team too.  I bet they keep 9 linemen on the roster with AC on the PUP, and cut another position when he returns and run with 10 OL.

Leota is making noise.  I'm pretty sure Barno is headed to the PS.  YGM is a tough one.  If he isn't clear cut better than Leota, why would you keep someone on the last year of their deal in place of an UDFA who you can control going forward?  I think the Huston signing speaks volumes.  His signing along with D. Jones will allow Frankie to move inside and out.  Just my 2 cents.

Corner is a mess.  Wright being hurt most of camp is killing the evaluation.  Unless he jumps over STO and Taylor I think he is on the practice squad.  That could be good, because if he is hurt other teams can't evaluate him either so we can continue to develop him.  I'm scared to death that DJAX gets hurt in week 2 or 3 and we are fugged on the outside.

This makes sense to me. I’m thinking the Houston signing actually helps Leota’s chances (can afford to take a flyer with a solid vet there). 
 

I know people are thinking with Corral not having much of a shot last year he deserves a chance, and with the 3rd emergency qb rule in play that helps case for 3, but he really needs to play well in preseason or I think we roll with two. 

Thoughts on camp battles?

WR: top five are set, who wins out between Shi and Byrd?

OG: top four set, who makes it between Brown, McCray and Jensen (UDFA)?

Edge: w/ Houston along with Burns, Haynes and DJ, is there a fifth OLB among Barno, YGM, and Leota (UDFA)

Corner: top three are set, which two do you roll with among Taylor, Thomas-Oliver and Wright (UDFA)?

Three UDFAs seem to be in play. Am I missing others? 

Mingo is a big freaking dude. Makes Moose look small. Can’t help but like how country he is. Hopefully that keeps him hungry to work hard.

12 hours ago, AggieLean said:

Mingo is a country boy lol. I like him 

My first thought too, was “damn, that boy country”.

Good list. Others to consider?

Mike Rucker 

Jon Beason

Jonathan Stewart

John Kasay

3 hours ago, 45catfan said:

You're assuming and I'm assuming.  Some GMs take flyer picks on QBs just about every draft.  I'm not sold on Corral and I'm not putting all my eggs in the Bryce Young basket he stays healthy.  This year we are fine with Dalton and potentially next, but if we are looking for his eventual replacement (as we should) and Corral isn't it, we don't need to wait two years to make that pick.

Fitt has said multiple times he prefers to select a QB every year. 

Let’s not kid ourselves. The big move was the move up to one.

Young at one or Levis at 9 will be the question. (Plus all we gave up).

$27mil in cap space today. Need to hold back some for rookies and in season maneuvers, but plenty of cash for FA signing or three. 

Next moves for the off-season?

1) Pickup 5th year option on Brown (deadline tomorrow). No brainer.

2) Decline option for CJ? 

3) Extend Burns.

4) Chinn- final year of his contract, make sense to extend?

5) Sign any veteran free agents? Most of Burns and Chinn extensions would hit the future cap. We have room in the cap for some FAs.

11 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Can’t stop this adrenaline train now…lol.  We have the staff and it’s Panthers time for greatness.  Haven’t been this excited about this team since before the Cam draft.  Fun stuff

I presume you’re talking off-season? Weren’t excited during undefeated regular season run on the way to a Super Bowl appearance?

Last year he played 17 games and 89% of offensive snaps.  (According to overthecap)

Regardless of the draft, you’d think we want to sign a veteran QB, right?

Five of these guys have played for the Panthers in the past. Who are you signing?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/?ref=trending-pages

The issue of course is there are four teams ahead of us that definitely need a QB (Houston, Indy, Vegas and ATL) and you could make an argument for Chicago, Arizona, Detroit and Seattle too. 
 

And there is a pretty big drop from the fourth and fifth QB prospect. So there is certainly risk in hoping your guy drops to 9.

28 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You can keep Shaq another year by giving him an extension through 2025 with voidable years. His base salary iis 12 million and the rest is cap hit from restructures and signing bonuses. I am sure you can restructure where you can reduce his cap for 2023 which is his last year playing. The voidable years just help manipulate the cap.

This is the answer. Shaq has been averaging $12.5mil in cash earnings since ‘19, and is on the books to earn $13mil next year.

The issue of course has been the accounting restructuring. So ‘23 is the year that cap hits (earning $13mil, but the cap hit will be $24mil unless they restructure again).

You can covert $10mil of the ‘23 salary into a bonus, extend the contract through ‘24, but void it after this season. That frees up about $12mil in cap space this year, and kicks that $12mil can down the road to ‘24’s cap. And we have tons of cap space next year.

Or if you want to keep him longer term you just do a 2-3 year deal without the voidable years. 

On 11/22/2022 at 7:28 AM, Mr. Scot said:

Said it elsewhere but it bears repeating here...

Scott Fitterer has repeatedly stated his belief that the best strategy for team building is to draft a quarterback and build around them. With Matt Rhule gone, I expect that to be the path we follow.

It could conceivably be with Matt Corral, but I think it's more likely we'll draft someone else this April and focus on them.

Fitt has also said he likes bringing in a new QB each year. So perhaps he gets both this year.

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He was in on darnold and in on baker when the scouts and others were not.  Thats not good

Re Sam, that was Rhule’s boy. Rhule was Fitt’s boss, so Fitt secured Sam for two years.

Re Baker, Fitt was “open to it” at the right (low price), but he also wanted Corral. 
 

Fitt has said from day one you keep swinging on QBs until you hit. Nothing he has done has mortgaged our future beyond one year. 

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Holy poo that is unreal.  I was on the fence about Fitt before now, damn man that doesnt paint a pretty picture

That wasn’t my takeaway from the article. Fitt made one bad choice: the $18mil guarantee for Sam. It was a calculated risk that didn’t work out. But the conviction in Sam came from Rhule, not Fitt.

Tapatío on eggs is the way to go. 

2 hours ago, jackson113 said:

This is the reason trades for players doesn't happen often in the NFL. The salary structure makes him even more valuable to the new team (cheap salaries ahead) but a ton of dead money for old team. 

You telling me CMC at basically free for this year and $12mil the next three years isn’t an attractive contract for the best RB in the league?

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

 

It was an intelligence test. You both failed.

4 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

"Mental reps" are just another made-up thing, no different than "moral victories" or "the female orgasm."

I presume you are joking. Otherwise you aren’t doing it right.

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

They should have just kept Kyle Allen and rebuilt the roster. He was basically the same as Teddy but with a much lower price tag.

I was on board for this. But for anyone to think you just snap your fingers and get a good QB is crazy. Fitterer has said you try and try again until you hit. That’s what he has tried. 
 

Of course you can say why did we guarantee that 5th year for Sam, but even that was a one year throw away. 

All indications are that Darnold is a decent locker room guy. Unless you get $3mil plus in salary covered by another team, no reason to not keep him.

Let’s say you cut him. Why would another team offer anything more than the league minimum for him. (Unless I’m overlooking differences waiver and cut).

4 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

And?

I can spell this out if you need me to.

First, someone says he is cheap for a top 15 qb.

Then you replied you got anything to back that up.

Then I provided a link to rankings from just this past month from Chris Simms, a well regarded QB analyst, showing he has Baker as #17.

Apologies there is such a massive gap between 15 and 17. 

13 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Top 15 qb?   You got any stats to back this up whatsoever?

Chris Simms rated him #17 this summer.

https://sports.nbcsports.com/2022/06/14/nfl-quarterback-rankings-2022-chris-simms-top-40-qb-countdown-ahead-of-upcoming-nfl-season/amp/