Santee_Panther

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33887625/new-york-giants-release-james-bradberry-failing-find-trade-partner-cb

Fitt has said in the past he will continue to bring in a new QB every year ideally. 
 

No reason to think we won’t draft one almost every year (hopefully with later and later draft picks). 
 

Would’ve been nice to have not given up any future pics, but nice to have 1, 2, 4 and 5 next year and yet still have addressed top two needs this year with guys some thought could both be first rounders. 

Definitely had more to do with Darnold. Probably felt bad saying that. 

David Newton reporting ladies and gentlemen….

Gilmore played the 2021 season with the Carolina Panthers, who traded a 2023 third-round pick to the New England Patriots in October. 

1 minute ago, BurnNChinn said:

Damn he brought the whole circus to town. Lmao want a poo show, just to lose out!

The benefits to having your own jet I guess. Flying isn’t exactly an inconvenience.

Hell yeah! Hopefully four years in a row to come (Smith, Pep, Luke).

Congrats to the Mills Family!! 

2 hours ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

You can tell who the UNC fans are on this board clamoring for Trubisky lmao

Well, we could have basically had Trubisky for free vs what we paid (in cash and picks) for Darnold. Would be curious to see the pro scout notes that led to that decision. 

13 hours ago, Newbie said:

We cut David Moore the Guard early in training camp. I see him listed above, is there a different Moore playing Guard I don’t know about?

Nope, just missed it

I’m not suggesting this is what we will end up with, but these are the players currently under contract. 

I think we can all agree QB, OL, and LB are question marks. But there are some solid building blocks (skill positions on O, backfield of D). 

Currently under contract through ‘22-23 season:

‘22 Panthers:

Looking at last year, the Titans lost two top free agents (Conklin $14mil and Mariota $9mil) and signed one (Beasley $10mil).

Beasley offset the lower lost FA, so they picked up a third round comp pick. 

So if we lose Reddick (a likely 3rd) and D Jax, we could offset DJ with someone and not lose the 3rd. We just need to sign less than we lose. 

12 minutes ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

Not as good as Rashawn Slater played today. 

According to OTC, they’ve already been using that for their estimates. So we will have about $30mil.

https://overthecap.com/2022-nfl-salary-cap-expected-to-reach-208-2-million/

11 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

MR's contract is easy to work around, thank goodness.

Sam's is a tough one.  I still don't understand us giving him that 5th year, but whatever, I "get" the move.

June 1 cut, spread the 18M over two seasons, move on and hope your coach and GM learned a lesson.

Rhule is likely on the hot seat already, didn't think I'd be saying that already.

Unfortunately you can only spread bonus money. Guaranteed salary can’t be. Sam would have to agree to a restructuring, which is what the OP suggested. 

20 minutes ago, Basbear said:

This gos against one of rules about telling people how to live and such, but god help the panther fans that think hardcore about off-season during a entertainment playoff push..

My brain is killing itself reading the huddle right now

I can enjoy the present and yet still save money and invest in my future. They aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s a Tuesday…not like we are worrying about this stuff mid game.

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Kalil’s contract didn’t hurt us for years.

Agree to disagree, but to your point, in hindsight probably not as bad as we recall. 

1) the overall cap was $30mil lower per team back then.

2) we had a much worse team cap situation then

3) opportunity cost of signing Khalil.

8 hours ago, TheoJay10 said:

Did you take into account the cap going up next year? 

I used Overthecap, so whatever their assumptions are in change in cap. 

5 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

We are going to have to send a pick or player just to shed sams contract, idk if a trade would still have us eating a cap hit from him however 

No bonus…just the fully guaranteed contract. 

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

I don’t think Daley is capable of holding down LT. Our best bet is Erving getting healthy or BC stepping in. The most frustrating thing is Darnold taking up $18 million next year. That money could have been used on Reddick or Gilmore…

Agree it sucks on Darnold, but it is a one year hold. Much better than the hell from Kalil contract, which hurt us for 3-4 years (ignoring the loss of 2nd round pick, which hurts more than the cap hit). 

3 minutes ago, 95Panthers4Ever said:

Carter may not be exactly expensive to keep. Could franchise tag Jax and possibly structure a deal that's cap friendly for Reddick and pay Gilly now but the off season focus will be OL honestly Rhule has shown he likes to fix glaring holes although could get good picks out of the draft for OL I would hate to see them waste a pick on the QB situation

Franchise for a CB is $15mil, and CB is a position where we have a ton of depth. Seems like a luxury. Agree that off-season focus likely on OL, but typically better to address OL through draft than free agency. 

Players currently under contract through ‘22 season:

The OL is it’s own animal, but in a dream scenario Daley can hold down LT and Elflein is serviceable at C. (Big assumptions, sure). I’ve been of the opinion that interior play has been worse than the tackles. 
 

In that case, biggest remaining issues:

- Glaring hole at QB1, perhaps that problem magically goes away if Cam plays well and takes a home team discount to extend

- CB is loaded, not sure we can afford both D Jax and Reddick. If can only keep one, I’d prefer to keep Reddick. Good news is losing Jax could net a 3rd rounder in a ‘23 comp pick. 

- how much does it cost to keep Carter and/or upgrade MLB?

I’d argue our cap is in pretty good shape. Yes, “only” $35 mil in ‘22, but over $100 mil in ‘23 and beyond. We can do some trickery with extensions of good, young players to make it through next year. 

I’d guess a combo of 4 & 5.

I’m guessing Cam wasn’t willing to play the last year of his contract coming off injury without a (big) extension. 
 

And the new regime (correctly) said no thanks. 
 

So it was a classic lose, lose. 
 

Hopefully we can flip it to a win/win.
 

26 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

That may be part of it, but Tepper wants to win now and Cam is far and away the best qb available.  He is basically saying he doesn't care as much about the money as he does winning.

 

Also, the long term cap hit isn't to bad.  If Cam doesn't work out, it cost us nothing for next year's cap, and TB will be off the dead money hit.  Next year, we are only getting hit with Darnold.  Bad I know, but not as bad as some other teams.  The Saints have 24 million in dead money for Drew Brees over the next two years.  Matt Ryan's cap hit over the next three years is north of 90 million.

There is essentially zero cap hit past next year for QBs. 

Yes, strange decision, but not in the top 5 bad decisions of this regime. Hindsight is 20/20, but I’m not going to worry much about sixth round picks. 

5 minutes ago, pantherj said:

I think it'll either be Watson or the top rated QB in the 2022 draft. Your QB decides if you can win the SB or not in the coming seasons. We have to land a QB who can win the SB in the future and that means a high level of talent beyond Jimmy. Jimmy went to the SB because he was dragged there by a mega-team.

The problem with a ‘22 QB is none appear to be that good.