Santee_Panther

26 minutes ago, stackofbacon said:

NE1 left from teh '15 team?

Shaq Thompson

20 minutes ago, Trainwreck said:

You guys just quit. Luke is a once in a generation MLB. Would’ve been a locked for HOF if he would just play for another 2-3 years. There’s a reason why he went 9th overall in the draft. I don’t care what some stupid scouts say about Luke pre draft. He was a perfect prospect.

Yes, he is a generational MLB, based on his career. We were discussing the fact that no one is a perfect prospect.

See analysis from before the draft:

-routinely driven off the ball

-Kuechly takes too many false steps. 

-No player makes more tackles, but rarely are these clean tackles where Kuechly read the play and made a dynamite pursuit and form tackle.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1031882-luke-kuechly-2012-nfl-draft-scouting-report

They said we had 16 players with a first round grade. If one of them is there at 39, you take them. If not, try to trade back. If that doesn’t work, take the player at the top of your board. 

That 8th pick becomes more valuable if one of the top QBs is still there. I think it would take more than a 2nd in that scenario. And not sure Pats would move up unless it was for a QB.

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

2020?

Sorry, a ‘22 second is equivalent to a ‘21 third...

The trade value chart shows that a future round pick is worth one round later than current year picks. 
 

So even if we are the worst team next year, which is highly unlikely, the future second is like a 2020 third round pick.

They restructured Hill, which will push about $8mil into future dead money. 
 

They cut about $40mil in salary, including starters (LB Kwon Alexander, WR Sanders,  CB Jenkins, TE Cook, LG Eaton, P Morstead. 
 

They also “officially” still have Brees on the roster. Once he leaves they get hit with an additional $10.4mil hit, so even though they are “only” $11 mil in the hole, they need $5mil+ for cushion throughout the year and another $8mil for rookies. 
 

So they are still about $35mil in the red for ‘21, plus they’ve restructured contracts to push money to future years. And they have no franchise QB.

His tender as a last year restricted FA is fairly high (I believe $3.4mil). 
 

It isn’t like the last couple years where he was a league minimum salary. 
 

Tougher decision. 

These are all guys that wouldn’t count against comp picks. Are under 32, and started at least 40% of the snaps last year (sorted by position):

34 minutes ago, Toomers said:

With money from 2022-23. 

When we have $100mil+ in cap room.

3 hours ago, Captain Morgan said:

If we get Justin at 8 without giving anything up, that would be fantastic.  I just don't see him falling that far.  Even if no one in front of us wants him, someone else will trade up.

Agree. Any of the top 4 QBs at 8 would be fine by me. 

2 hours ago, Waldo said:

Tag works if he allows it. We at least get him in 2021 and if we can't come to a long term deal then we can see if it's worth a long term deal in 2022 or if we filled enough holes we can go with a rookie. 8f we do come to a long term deal then look for a rookie at LT, a vet OG and a rookie RG. Affordable and doable with this draft. That LT tho lol hard to pretend that's going to be easy

He’s coming off his rookie deal, he needs that $14mil.

I think a rule for the forum should be that if you say: we should trade up to X to draft QB X, you should also have to state what you are willing to give up to get that higher draft pick. 
 

The trade takes two sides. You can’t just “want” to trade up.

I’d be happy to stay at 8 and hope one of top 4 QBs drop. Price to move up likely too high given the natural uncertainty in the draft process. 

55 minutes ago, jayflip said:

I have a feeling it’ll resemble much of MLB’s FA period this year. Some splashes and trades (ahem, Padres) but most of the market sits tight as it resets itself in a way. 
 

I’m prolly wrong AF though and it’ll be a frenzy like years prior once the legal tampering period opens up. 

Agreed. Think about it. We feel like we have no cap space and yet we are in better shape than over half the league. Only a few teams have a bunch of room, but there will be a lot of good players looking for a contract with a relatively small amount of dollars available. I’ve even seen discussion of atypical contracts like league minimum salary plus a few mil bonus with multiple void years for pro bowl type talent. 
 

Yes we have some big holes, but our cap situation is solid 2022 and beyond. If we can continue to draft well we will be set up well. 

They are quoting a "bold prediction" from David Newton. 

16 minutes ago, cookinwithgas said:

Nope all my Pats friends back home were cheering him on. And Gronk too. They still have metric tons of good feelings to shed themselves of.

This is true of my friend/colleagues that are Pats fans.

BUT, after week one, their tune was different. Bucs had lost, Pats with Cam had won. They were are laughing that they didn’t need Tom. 

I think after all their losses piled up their tune changed. 

2 minutes ago, BrianS said:

There is no scenario where we draft at eight and less than four QB's are off the board before we do.

No scenario? Come on! There are plenty of scenarios where 3, and possibly 4 are gone. But 100% chance four or more are gone at 8? Nah.

23 minutes ago, unicar15 said:

I think only $8-10 million instead of all $23. Maybe I’m wrong.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/teddy-bridgewater-14441/

I am on my cell, and couldn’t tell from OTC, but thought it was higher. my apologies. But spotrac is showing $10mil guaranteed in 21.

Don’t forget we would get hit with $10mil prorated signing bonus too, so $23 mil cap hit with a $20 mil dead cap, so only a $3mil savings to cut him. 

But if we traded him, only $10mil dead for a $13 mil savings (the new team would take on the guaranteed salary).

5 minutes ago, unicar15 said:

Why? Just cut him and let him find another tram. I think if he’s cut at a certain point of the offseason he’d be an $8 million cap hit instead of $23 million. 

Because his 2021 salary is guaranteed 

4 hours ago, Zod said:

My final offer:

2021 1st and 2nd
2022 1st and 3rd
2023 2nd
CMC
Shaq Thompson

 

This is as far as I would go. Burns, Chinn, or Brown? GTFO

 

 

I think they'd have to also take Teddy for me to be ok with this. 

Good! Let’s hope the price comes down.