Mike2.0

I suspect we won't be able to shield any rookie quarterback we draft with how Cam Newton and Sam Darnold played last season. Newton has looked shot as a passer the last two seasons, and Darnold has been a bust. How can we shield a rookie quarterback with them under center?

Rhule is arguably in an improve or get fired season, so if things go south he’ll be motivated to make a quarterback change because his job is on the line. Besides, a lot of our fan base will be calling for a change at quarterback if Darnold or Cam play poorly. 

The only way I can see us being able to shield a rookie quarterback is if we make a deal with the 49ers for Garoppolo and he stays healthy and his production replicates his 2019 and 2021 seasons. At that point we can bring the rookie along slowly, but even in that scenario, if Garoppolo struggles and/or gets hurt, the rookie will get thrown in. 

So, if we are going to take a first round quarterback, why not just role with them and see what happens? 

Best case scenario, they hit the ground running and show enough to be our future franchise quarterback. Worst case scenario, they struggle and we consider our options next season.

20 hours ago, joemac said:

Absolutely retarded.  Why would any of the parties involved do this?  Miami I guess I could see WANTING Brady, who doesnt, but why in the world would Brady or Tampa do this?

Hasn’t Brady recently purchased a mansion in or near Miami? 

I’m sure I remember reading something about it before he ended his retirement. There was even a rumour that he was tipped to gain a minority ownership stake with the Dolphins in his post playing career. 

Granted there’s no reason why the Buccaneers would trade him, but I guess stranger things have happened. 

1 hour ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Colts getting ryan for a 3rd and panthers trading a 2,4 6 for Sam darnold is inexcusable bad management. 

The colts getting Ryan for a third round pick was likely due to a combination of factors. For example, his contract, age and recent production would likely have been a big factor. There’s also the possibility that they sold low as a thank you for the years of service, especially after they pursued Watson.

Quite why we paid as much as we did for Darnold is still a mystery. The picks this year should always have been provisional picks based on appearances and production. 

Bet Arthur Smith is having a swell time!

Come work with Matt Ryan. “Ok”

Hey Arthur, we are going for Deshaun Watson. “Hell yeah!”

Sorry Arthur, we’ve not got him. “I guess we’ve still got Matt Ryan”

Oh btw, we hate to break it to you but we are trading Ryan to the Colts. “FFS”

The Buccaneers should win the division, but after that it’s a toss up who finishes second. An argument could be made for any of the teams…

Saints are still a team with good players and with Winston they were on track to make the play offs; however, no Payton this season, so will his replacement do as well? I’m not sure.

Falcons would be heavily reliant upon Matt Ryan having a big year and their defense coming together. Problem is, outside of Kyle Pitts, who is left for Ryan to throw to? No one really.

When it comes to us we’ve got our own downside, well, two major ones. First, no clear cut starting quarterback. Second, our lacklustre head coach. We can’t do anything about the latter right now, but if we can fix the quarterback spot then a second place finish is possible. 

In all honesty I’m glad about this trade on two fronts. First, I don’t think I could support the team who makes a player with those accusations the face of the franchise. Second, he’s staying out of the NFC and division, which potentially makes our route forwards easier if we can find our next franchise quarterback. 

The AFC certainly has a great bunch of young quarterbacks. It will make certain team’s prospects of qualifying for the play offs tougher, and it will make back to back visits a big achievement. 

I don’t think I could support the team if we acquired Watson.

I guess it’s possible that every accusation is false and he could be proven not guilty. However, there would always be that doubt over whether he did or didn’t do what he was accused over with that many accusations, and on top of that, could be trusted going forwards. 

Personally I’d have a hard time with us acquiring Watson. Much like had we signed Big Ben this off season to a short term deal. I’d rather us look elsewhere for our QB.

7 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Rhule is really an idiot if he does this.  Jimmy G couldn't get the 49ers a Lombardi and they are STACKED.  They have a good run game, George Kittle and Deebo Samuel.  They have a very talented defense.  But he still wasn't enough.

Why would anyone think Jimmy G is going to be the answer for a significantly worse roster?  We might as well trade for Jared Goff.

To be fair, the 49ers were 20-10 up going into the fourth quarter against the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, then proceeded to concede 21 points. Not the first time a team with Kyle Shanahan calling the plays has choked in the fourth quarter in a Super Bowl.

That said, Jimmy G is not the answer for our quarterback position unless he’s being used as a bridge while we develop the long term answer to the quarterback position.

On 2/14/2022 at 8:52 PM, DaveThePanther2008 said:

With the NFL looking into the scandal in MIami where the owner paid Flores $100,000.00 for each loss and other issues pertaining to what Flores has in his lawsuit.  Plus Daniel Synder's problems in Washington.

Do you think the NFL is going to push them to sell and if so do you think they will push minority owners?   

The NFL can make them sell the team but can they make them sell it to a minority? 

Reportedly Robert F Smith, the country’s richest black billionaire, is not interested in buying the Broncos. However, the NFL are apparently begging him to buy the team. It would be big for the league if they could persuade him or another rich black person to buy the team.

Problem is, it comes down to interest and ability to purchase an NFL team. If rich minority persons do not want to buy one, or they are priced out (eg Broncos are reportedly worth 4 billion), then it won’t happen unless the league amends ownership rules.

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Update...

 

Good news for CJ Beathard. Pederson does his best work with backups!

4 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Bienemy is coaching one of the consistently top offenses in the league and helped develop Mahomes. Andy Reid runs the offense ultimately, but other teams like the Packers and now Rams (O’Connell getting some interviews) are having their OCs land jobs when their head coaches ultimately run the offense. Bienemy has learned under one of the best QB/Offensive Minded coaches in the business and developed one of the top young QBs. I would love it if we could dump Rhule, sign Bienemy and draft him a Howell/Willis to develop. Who wouldn’t be excited for that?!

I wasn’t aware of it until today, but it could be the case that his rap sheet as a player could be an issue. The coaches from the Rams/Packers haven’t had legal issues. Maybe that could be playing a role in it?

9 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Wtf post is this lol. Tua sucks. Deal with it.
 

We’re talking about identifying offensive talent with a defensive coach and you smeared him as if the the most important position on this he football field was his fault when it’s obvious that management and ownership is complete poo on the dolphins. He wanted the better qb. Nothing he did was publicly disparaging to tua. But what he didn’t say spoke volumes. I’d love to have a coach like that here. No nonsense, no bullshit. The anti rhule.

Flores was given a quarterback to work with and the quarterback didn’t develop as hoped. There’s a number of reasons for that: the player; their OL being one of the worst in the league; and their offensive staff and scheme. The latter of which is under Flores’ direct control and in two years he failed Tua. Last summer Flores had the chance to hire a new coordinator to improve the offense and failed to do so, he picked two average candidates and couldn’t pick between them. Sorry that screams poor leadership.

For a head coach to not support the quarterback he has is not really what you want from a head coach. I’m all for speaking up and standing your ground, but when you lose that battle you can do two things: get with the program or resign. Flores apparently chose option three which was to do neither and instead undermine and not support his quarterback during their two seasons together. That’s the last thing any team needs from their head coach. 

Whatever your personal feelings towards Tua are, he has shown flashes of ability. What he needs is an improved OL and a coaching staff that supports him and puts him in a position to succeed. Flores didn’t do that, and if their next head coach does, I can see Tua doing a fair job. Not elite, but certainly middle of the pack to top half. 

8 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Flores wanted Herbert, the GM and owner wanted Tua. Flores complained constantly about tua’s work ethic and he would never be the guy to lead them to championships. This is the same coach who spent 15 years in New England starting off as an assistant scout and worked his way up to the d coordinator position. He literally saw what a good quarterback does for a team. 
 

Head coach Brian Floreshas made it clear to those around him how much he prizes availability at the quarterback position (and prefers bigger, strapping pocket passers all things considered), spending his time as an assistant in New England around Hall of Famer Tom Brady.

That's no excuse for his reportedly strained relationship with Tua, repeatedly criticising him, and basically being negative about him. Whether Flores wanted Herbert or not, he should have had his quarterback's back and not tried to burry him. If Flores felt that strongly that he was not being listened to when they selected Tua over Herbert and did not believe in Tua - resign. Don't stick around and whine, bitch, and try to undermine the players. 

2 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Flores is a good coach, but come on ... the amount of stress he'll be going through, with media attention, the lawsuit, question after question ... plus getting games ready? No thanks. He would have a very hard season.

The Dolphins managed to field a good defense under his tenure, but their offense was below average and there was little sign that they knew how to develop a quarterback. Heck, they even tried to reinvent the wheel by hiring co-offensive coordinators. The only way Flores works out as a head coach is if he found a strong offensive coordinator, which is something he did not do with the Dolphins, and his indecision left them having co-offensive coordinators. Personally I'd look elsewhere for a head coach because of Flores' failures on the offensive side. 

Acquiring Garoppolo could be an option, but it would require some cap magic to make it work. The problem I have with this acquisition is that it is going to cost us a similar deal to what Wentz cost the Colts, which is a day two pick with potential for it to become a first round pick. I guess an alternative could be a Garoppolo for McCaffrey deal which gets us a quarterback and gives the 49ers a player that would excel in their system, but I'd hate to see McCaffrey go. 

Personally I'd just draft a quarterback and let him compete with Darnold and Newton (if brought back). Best quarterback wins. 

Agree a mutual termination with Rhule on the proviso that if he gets the Michigan job the remainder of his contract with us is null and void, but if he doesn't get the Michigan job then we come to agreement on a payout. Then either hire a new head coach or place McAdoo in charge on an interim basis. 

59 minutes ago, Michael G said:

 

it seems TB doesn't want to confirm or deny at this point.

He’s got nothing to confirm or deny. TB said he would take time to decide whether he wants to play or retire. If he’s still undecided then there’s nothing to say. However, it is somewhat odd that his company announced his retirement, unless the post was misinterpreted and was simply a flawed attempt at celebrating his achievements and not a retirement post? 

10 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

If it’s official then we just witnessed the GOAT at his position. No other QB will win 7 SB Rings

Agreed, Brady is the GOAT and his accomplishments are unlikely to be matched. I do feel that going to the Buccaneers and winning a Super Bowl with them without Belichick and the Patriots make his case almost airtight. 

It will certainly be strange to see the NFL next season without Brady and Big Ben adding to the list of QBs like Rivers, Eli, Peyton (etc). It certainly makes me feel old knowing the QBs I grew up with aren’t going to be playing anymore! 

The Buccaneers and Saints could both take huge hits this off-season, but they are both still well placed to be ahead of us next season. They are better run and coached. Even the Falcons have the talent to be ahead of us. I guess things could change and we might have a chance to compete for the division, but it’s unlikely with our quarterback situation.

11 minutes ago, Chiefzack said:

Someone explain to me why if he still that good we got him for only a 6th?

Gilmore is still a good corner, but I suspect this move is to help the Patriots save cap space. Also, it is a typical Patriots move letting veterans go and managing to replace them with mid round talent and other teams castoffs. 

I'm happy with Gilmore for a 6th rounder. Good addition! 

Smith would be worth the addition at the right price. He might not be the same player as he was a couple of seasons ago, and might be transitioning from a full time role to a situational one, but he could be helpful in the short term.