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8 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Bringing in a guy when they knew Cam would not be the same would have made sense. Too bad they didn't. 

Brady was a late round flyer.

Favre was an established vet starting the slide to the downside of his career with a good team around him. The Packers were in a position to be able to take a young QB and let him sit and learn. Same for Montana and Young. The Colts did the same with Manning and Luck. The current Panthers are not even in the ballpark that those teams were.

Once again, Cam Newton franchise QB equaled 3 winning seasons with the current rules. It takes a lot more than a QB to be a perennial contender. A young QB needs weapons, coaching, and protection. The Panthers failed to give Cam that repeatedly. The current contending and superbowl teams had good teams built and then got their QB. The Panthers should follow the examples of those winning teams.

I can agree with this statement. Except for the fact that the comparisons your using is off. We're in a position now with a young QB with experience to draft a contingency plan, who could sit for a while to determine if Sam is going to make it. If he doesn't then we're fine with Fields. If he does, then we have a surplus and trade bait. It sets us up nicely to not be forced into a long term contract with Sam if he doesn't pan out.

I'm just of the mindset that there is a reason why the guys listed above have been perennial contenders. Brady, Rodgers and many guys like that always provide wins with a sub par cast. We need that under center. When we find that then we continue the build. If they feel like he's THAT GUY. If not, then draft BPA get your tackle or CB. I just think completely disocounting having that talent stashed behind darnold is a bad idea. Bc we just don't know if Darnold will turn it around here. And if we were to trade that pick to NE, and fields comes out and meets the expectation. That'll sting a whole lot more. But I can see your side of things as well.

3 hours ago, jayboogieman said:

How many of you competition breeds competitiveness guys wanted the Panthers to draft first round QBs when Cam was here? That's just a line you guys are saying as an excuse to want a first round QB this year

Probably because at that time the other option was Jimmy pickles. It's no execuse. The circumstances are different. We're bringing in a guy with potential, but no proven track record. To be honest, we should have considered drafting a QB as soon as Cams shoulder was destroyed as a contingency. We could've done so with plenty of guys. But our FO decided to wait or draft a LATE round flyer. 

Tom Brady and Drew Bledsoe

Aaron Rodgers and Brett Fabre

Steve Young and Joe Montana.

I could list examples all day with teams taking this approach. And they've been far more successful than the Teams that took the Trent Dilter route. And let's keep in mind all the guys you point too are from a different era when defenses weren't hamstrung by the rule book. Shoring up the QB position in this day and age of the NFL is by far the single most important piece off the franchise. To remain perennial contenders anyway. Sure we could draft a tackle and I'd be ecstatic, but then the Darnold could darnold and we're back at square one.

But go ahead. Go off.

I just don't understand why so many people are on the ropes with the idea of drafting a QB at 8. Competition breeds competitiveness. I want Darnold to fear for his Job. And I want a young hungry capaby rookie pushing him for his job. And let the best man win. Fields falling to us just seems like a blessing if it happens. As bad as I want a cornerstone tackle, it won't matter if we don't have a competent guy under center. Most of the teams with history of the most success at the QB position don't care how or when they get their guy. But when he's there and they can build competition for preseason they jump on the opportunity.

So we really buying into darnold huh?

9 wins in a 17 game season will make me vomit. It's 10 minimum for me. Then next man up.

We should not accept mediocrity. 

Competition at QB. If fields or lance is there take them. OL. But as much of a luxury as it is, a TE can block for you and be a threat in the passing Game.

So Lance/Fields, and Pitts If neither QB is there. Then use the remaining draft for OL. Possibly a CB.

On 4/7/2021 at 8:54 AM, NYPantherFan said:

Going from a QB who checks the ball down for 3 yards whenever he panicked to a few YOLO balls us going to be a welcomed sight around here.

This x47. F a game manager. I want a producer lol. Teddy threw the exact amount of picks as Sam last year. How you keep a job as a game manager that won't be a star, but won't throw picks. And then proceed to throw picks?

This doesn't even talk about fumbles. Teddy Two gloves hands ain't strong enough. 

I miss the days we had a QB that would dunk on people in the end zone too.

Sigh

6 hours ago, bobowilson said:

A late first round pick, but a 1st rounder nonetheless.  

If Darnold is anything like he has been the past few years for the Jets, we'll be a bottom 7 team picking at the top of the 2nd round.

If you add up the other picks we gave up with a high 2nd rounder, it has the same 'draft value' as a late 1st round pick.

So Darnold may end up costing us a late 1st rounder, and a tremendous cap hit in his 5th year.  That is quite the gamble for a quarterback who has played at his level, regardless of his coaching.

 

No. Added together it cost a potential second round pick. And that's if we don't trade teddy for two fourths and flip it for a 2nd or 3rd between now and next draft.

You skretchin. 

It's really kind of simple. Find a QB you can ride with while you groom your franchise. If a QB falls that they like you can bet they draft him. 

You know honestly, Ive never seen this board happy about any moves we've ever made. Yall hated the Cam pick. Y'all said CMC couldn't run up the middle. Y'all whined about Luke being drafted early. Y'all was hype about Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess.

Thank the Lord none of y'all are GMS. Y'all would've gave houston the keys, and your bootyholes for deshaun watson only for him to molest 18 personal trainers and massage therapist. Let it play out. It could be worse. We could be lining fuggin teddy bridgewater under center again. At least they recognize when a qb sucks, and if darnold sucks he will meet the same fate. Besides at least the guys hands are bigger than my kindergartner and he doesn't need two gloves to handle the ball and get it down field 5 yards.

On 4/4/2021 at 1:25 AM, SizzleBuzz said:

Never seen one.

You can get head from both sides of the sword or something like that.

Double edged. Sword. Sorry

On 4/2/2021 at 7:16 PM, Tbe said:

People who know Shanahan say Mac is his ideal QB. 
 

I really don’t get it.

It's because coaches like Shanahan believe in their own system so much that they just need a guy to do as their told. They prefer a QB to run the "system" than a qb who can improvise. 

Thats the double headed sword of the QB position. Take a guy who can make every play on a whim. Or Take a guy who will make the play that's expected, no more or no less.

I as my own arm chair GM will lean towards the athletes any day of the week. But guys like Drew Brees and Tom Brady counter that argument pretty strongly. Neither of which were star athletes in terms of underwear sports.