Diehardpanth02

Just now, Mage said:

Lol what?

The better team gets the most bets put on them.  Not rocket science. 

The odds are narrowed down to a point where the house usually wins. The point I am bringing up is if there is betting involved it seems to beneficial to rig the games.

I'll still watch lol I love football. My gut just tells me something ain't lining up.

Fight me. This is an entertainment program. This isn't competitive sports. To many stories line up to increase the talking points (the Kelce brothers), Mahomes on a Brady chase, the refs making questionable calls in favor of only one direction. You name it, no way so many coincidence. It all just seems odd to me.

I could be wrong. But in a sports betting world, how does the house know where to bet. It's only when they know the odds, or control the deck.

All just seems to scripted to me. I literally could've guessed the outcome of this game after the first quarter.

3 hours ago, Panthering said:

Rhule has nothing to do with this at all, college coaches tend to not work out. Taking a OC has yielded the best results in the NFL.

The simple fact of hiring a guy just bc he is an OC is simple. Maybe stating an offensive mind would make more sense when making your statement. 

All those guys are head coaches now who had to put together a staff. They don't just call plays.

1 hour ago, Panthering said:

4 remaining teams in playoffs are Bengals, Chiefs, Eagles, 49ers and they are the clear cut best 4 teams in this year I'd say. All Offensive Head Coaches, 4 of the last 5 SB winners are all offensive head coaches with the lone exception being Belicheck. 

Andy Reid is the best coach of them all, he's been here a minute. And I would argue the other 3 teams all have significant experience and time in the NFL too. You can't just go cherry pick the OCs from those teams and expect results. It takes an entire staff, give me the guy that knows his limits, and fills all the holes with proven men who've coached men. Taking a dart throw on a hot name worked out well with us with the last guy huh?

1 hour ago, The Huddler said:

its Ok to get enamored by a young OC, but this franchise already whiffed on inexperience..  time to get a grown ass experienced guy at the helm

 

putting up good offensive stats does not mean you will be a good HC.  theres a hell of a lot that goes into being a HC.  

 

let the offensive mind with experience and success lead the ship. 

Finally someone said it. Majority of the huddles criteria....young offensive coordinator on recently successful team=success. As if offense is the only side of the ball that matters, let alone all the other details that come with being coach outside of play calling.

14 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Anyone who has watched a minute of Buffalo football this year can’t deny the juggernaut presence that is their passing game. And when Allen isn’t dropping a dime to Diggs for what seems like an eternal gif-like loop, he’s hurting you with his feet for another first down scamper. Beneath all the glamour, a not so obvious truth has been hiding below the trenches in plain sight all season long. 

Singletary finished the 2021 season with a strong showing and an optimistic outlook for 2022. As someone who watched most of their fantasy draft targets for the RB position get snatched before I could stake my claim, I was one of the poor souls who ended up with Singletary as my RB2. For any unfortunate individual who can share my sentiments you and I saw this moment coming for Buffalo a long time ago. 
 

My father, a Buffalo native and Bills fan turned Carolina fan, asked me last week who I had for my Super Bowl picks and while Buffalo has a special place in my heart (when they aren’t playing Carolina) I couldn’t in good sense pick them to go the distance. Deep down, I had seen the writing on the wall all season. Devin Singletary is not the RB1 you want to have to depend on to bail you out on an evening of inclement weather in a playoff atmosphere. He rarely, if ever, is called for a check down play. He more often than not finds himself on the wrong side of 4 yards per carry. 

For all the pooing on the old fashioned, smash mouth football that Carolina can’t seem to evolve from, McDermott and company have to be kicking themselves for not having the personnel to devolve when it counted.

On a chilly, dry January afternoon in Buffalo I truly believe the Bills would have beaten Cincinnati by at least a score and a half. Buffalo is as cursed an NFL franchise as there has ever been. But this curse was self-inflicted. 
 

I’d love a young minded offensive guru to coach up our (hopeful) shiny new QB to drop a 40-burger on opposing NFC defenses as well as anyone. But let’s not forget that there are moments where the roots of this game matter. Pass catching running backs matter. Ramming it down your opponents throat on the ground absolutely matters. 
 

Keep Pounding.

 

The only teams left are teams who do the basics well. No matter the level. Run the ball, stop the run, and play hard defense. If you get any team doing that, when it comes down to it you will win more often than not. 

The passing game is very important now, to keep teams honest. But without the run game, the passing game gets significantly harder to be efficient with. Most football Stan's don't recognize this and want the new shiny WR1s and fancy new offensive schemes. Kyle Shanahan is who I'd be looking for, someone with great run design with a well built machine. And doing it with a nobody at Qb.

Oh look. Another post about an upcoming OC, who has reaped the benefits of the previous coaching staff and jumped in on their draft picks only to be seen as the next coming of Sean McVay only to realize the dude has less than 10 years experience in the NFL has even less as an OC and zero as a head coach.

Watch who wins the super bowl bet he isn't someone like this guy.

And don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking something fresh and new. Especially in Carolina. But let's not be naive, and stop expecting some guy to come in and re-invent the wheel. Head Coach is only a part of a big ass shepherds pie. And if one thing ain't right it all turns out to be a big slopping almost inedible mess.

Give me a guy with enough experience, but still young enough to have energy, who maybe got dealt a bad card, and who still found some success at their position. Who comes from a winning pedigree, who oozes a particular confidence that would lead to a culture.

Not just some guy that draws X's and O's. There is just so much more to the sport than offense. And play calling. And people who see it that way just don't know the game.

10 hours ago, Sam the Cat said:

I will ask again  would DJ make top three om Seattle wr group?  I think not.

That's stupid AF tho, bc they're one of the better WR duos in the league. There are only a handful of studs that would replace them.

Adams. Jefferson. Cooper Kupp type guys.

52 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

yeah tbh i didnt watch the game today + i gave my panthers gear to goodwill

panthers still mid and im not watching again until they hire an offensive HC 

You were always a saints fan at heart anyway. don't come back when the tide changes.

Man that's a whole bunch of poopie

2 hours ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Well we are getting closer to specifics.

 

You think his throwing mechanics are terrible. How so? What do you mean?

 

What about his footwork is lackluster?

 

What makes you think his knowledge of the game is lackluster? Is this based solely on the RPO offense he ran in college?

 

Not grilling you, just want specifics so I can have further understanding of your opinion.

Listen the dude is talented. You don't make it to the pros and not be at least somewhat talented. I'm not going to sit and pick him apart bc there is a lot to like. He seems to plant that front foot, and rely on his arm strength quite a bit, and coming from an RPO offense, and to the preseason it seems to take him a bit to long to move on reads. Those things couple together can spell trouble if he's indecisive, foot gets planted and he's staring down a read..he showed this in the preseason as I mentioned. He seems indecisive, and a bit paranoid in the pocket. Which may loosen with reps. I just haven't seen enough to bank on him, and that's all I've been saying all along. You can't bank on ifs at the position. He needs time to grow. And we don't have time. So  if he pans out who knows, I just think it's a very small chance it's here.

2 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

You have no facts.

Lmao ok buddy. And what facts do you stand on that Corral will be starting, much less in a backup role.

He barely even had a completion in the opportunities he's had..and then based on the only other body of work which is college, he did nothing to set himself apart. 

This is all based on what we know and statistics which is all we have to go by.

Your saying he's good. So how are you not the one staying opinions like they are fact?

Are you a Democrat?

1 hour ago, Wundrbread33 said:

So much is off about this. First I don’t think you know what objectivity means. 
 

-Next you focus on college stats without any context. That’s surface level naive. 
 

-You say “these are the guys that win super bowls.” But you only reference Mahomes and his great stats and “awareness” which you don’t define.

 

So “Mahomes” is the guys that win Super Bowls…you aren’t wrong, but a kid could tell me that. 
 

-Then you go on with this “authority” talk about how you played and coached and scouted…which means nothing really. Rhule did those things, and made it to the NFL and sucked ass. You can be involved in football and be terrible.

So instead of telling us you are know poo, why not demonstrate it instead? If you were a scout…talk like a scout.
 

If you know what the word “trait” means, then speak to what “traits” make a QB great. Stats and general “awareness” isn’t it man. 

His traits being that his throwing mechanics are terrible. Pocket awareness is non existent. And based on the offenses that he has been a part of, which is all we have to go by at this point, shows that he has a minimal knowledge of the game. Most colleges do not run an advanced offensive game compared to the NFL level. I don't want to rule him out, I hope he does good. Saves us money, and draft picks. I just don't see it based on the facts and history of the guy at the position..I'm sorry that hurt you and the other guy commenting feelings. Footwork, Mechanics, Knowledge of the game all seem lackluster. He does seem to have the mindset so there is that. But that has taken him this far, the rest will be determined how much he can retain and put into play.

Maybe he will get more of an opportunity bc it is fair to say he didn't get the reps. But at the same time those reps had to be earned and he has been able to do that as of yet. We shall see, if he ever even steps on the field in a starting role, temporarily or permanent, just seems unlikely.

Just not sure why so many are obsessed with a below average QB, that really hasn't shown much. But hey, go off. It really doesn't make a difference to me. I just want to see competent QB play and a glorified Will Greer is what he strikes me off as. And Greer had a better college career and has managed to make the field on game days LOL 

2 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Objective?  You gotta be kidding me.  You are going to sit here and tell me Corral had a real opportunity?  Which by your statement that's exactly what you are saying.   Anyone that knows football knows that Corral wasn't given one true opportunity in training camp or preseason.  As I've said 1000x Corral was given 5 minutes at the end of practice.  Do you truly believe that was fair? 

It's not a bias it is a belief that given a real opportunity he will perform well.  You on the other hand have total discounted any possibility based on no facts.  We traded a pick for him.  We moved up to get him.  The only person that held him back was Rhule.  You say he ain't good enough to make us competitive.  How so?  No one know because Rhule had Mayfield as his boy and that was that. You're so hell bent on us drafting a QB that you'll discount him regardless of anything.

I don't know where you think I get upset.  I do get irritated with idiots that say 99.99% chance he won't succeed.  This is a stupid, ignorant and utterly dumb statement.  Based on absolutely no facts.  

You're a tanker, you're a loser at any cost which tells me you know absolutely nothing about professional sports and their players.  Better that you go play with your Madden 22 and leave the chatter about the team to those that understand professional sports. 

You embarrass your profile name.  diehard... hahahaha as long as we are winning.    

Yeah you know nothing about me personally. I want us to win lol, that's why I think betting on Corral is a pipe dream..I've laid out my facts and reason on other posts. I'll let you go on your rant.

15 hours ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Happens a lot. They even said they watched a lot of football, and ended referencing preseason, which is less than a game of his football life, in a shitty situation. 
 

Doubt they have much knowledge of his collegiate performance and tape. NFL starting traits are clearly present if you know what you are looking at. 

Funny, 1 TD and 257 yards/ game with less than 70% completion percentage on average spells doesn't spell world beater to me. Not to mention in college, they were averaging less than 30 attempts per game, which tells me they preferred running the ball. Kind of like the Panthers now, who can't trust their passing game.

Pat Mahomes for example, averaged 421 yds and over 3 tds per game with his arm. Let's assume legs equate to the same skill level, which they don't because Mahomes awareness is through the roof, and he is 3xs the QB Corral was statistically in comparison of their best seasons in college. 

These are the types of guys who win Superbowls in the NFL, and if you wanna sit here and tell me otherwise..you are most.likely the one with little to no football knowledge. I could scheme you under the table, I've coached I've played, and I've scouted. I've studied this game. And while your entitled to your opinion, your also entitled to being disagreed with. Matt Corral has yet to prove himself to be nothing more than an athlete that throws. Until he doesn't look like a scared little girl in anything other than a preseason game, against college level 2s and 3s(which he should be used to) under center then we can talk. Until then, go ride his elsewhere.

22 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I'm throwing the bullshit flag on this.  He has many many traits that are starting caliber QB.

God I hate when people talk out of the ass to try and make a point.

What traits? The only traits that matter are the one that are proven. He's shown little awareness. The only thing I will give you is his drive could help him succeed. The guy seems to want to win. But wanting to, and actually doing are two different things. 

The fact that just because someone disagreeing with you gets you so upset is kind of joke to me. Shows me that you have a bias towards the dude. I'm looking at him objectively like all of our QBs. He can't make the field with our worst possible QB locker room, he damn sure ain't good enough to make us competitive.

8 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Really?  You're an expert on Corral?  

Corral has many good traits and given a real opportunity you'll be proven wrong. 

No expert on Corral..just watched a lot of football and he doesn't show any traits that indicates he is a starter caliber QB, much less a long term answer.

To act as if he has proven otherwise is laughable. His preseason games were God awful.

2 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

What do you mean? He’s reached double digit sacks and the last year of his rookie deal. An extension helps the cap for next year and locks up your 24 year old building block. I really can’t think of many reasons why we wouldn’t go ahead and extend him….the longer we wait the more expensive it will be. His value will not be going down I can promise you that. This is completely different than the CMC extension almost in every way. 

No need in explanation. People don't understand the game. RBs are a dime dozen. DEs like Brian Burns who have natural pass rushing ability are not.

On 11/29/2022 at 7:01 PM, Admiral Ackbar said:

Doesn't look like we are getting Stroud or Bryce. I am 1000% on board with rolling with PJ and Corral next year, see how Corral does and then make your decision on the QB position next year.

Reason being;

- Not a fan of any of the QBs this year

- Solidify another position through the draft or trade back this year

- Potential to draft Drake Maye or Harrison Jr. (depending on Corral situation) next year

I think it will ultimately come down to the HC, if its Wilks idk if he can afford another bad season but maybe he rolls with an offensive scheme similar to what we are doing now. And if we hire a new coach, he almost certainty will push to draft a QB this upcoming year. 

There is a 99.99% chance if we start Matt Corral at QB next year that we may not win a single ball game. PJ maybe gets us 3 wins. 

48 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

I think if we had Greg Hardy available like we were supposed to for 2015 we probably would have gone undefeated and won SB 50.  He was a more complete player at the time than Burns is now. A tad less athletic maybe but much stronger in the running game and he was relentless. 
 

Having any version of Steve Smith probably wins SB 50. He would own Talib and we might get some calls going our way for a veteran player.

Make no mistake we win if the refs don’t cheat us out of the game though . That’s the real reason we lost. Headhunting Cam for 60 minutes with no flags and the BS Cotchery call are what did us in.

That's a cop out. No one play, player or part of the game is solely responsible for the outcomes. Except maybe a kicker. Refs make calls. And don't make calls..it happens. If Cam recovers that fumble we may win, if Ron comes in prepared we may win that game. If Mike Tolbert holds on to the football we may win that game. If Remmers wasn't a turn style we may win that game.

Football isn't a sport where you can blame one person, player or ref. It's a culmination of moving parts, that's the beauty of it. To win a ball game. It takes all 11 players playing their best each play. Coaching being on their toes each play. And hopefully enough calls go your way that in the end you have a chance to win.

People that blame refs suffer from vaginosis.

4 hours ago, Wolfcop said:

Not a fan of us wearing all blue, black, or anything else. It looks high schoolish to me. 

So not a fan of anything cool. Got it.

This new age obsession with "offensive" gurus blows my mind honestly. It only tells me that people know nothing about the game. Andy Reid. Bellichek. And even Sean McVay wasn't some young offensive gurus. They came from extensive coaching background or even family, and understand that football is a multi dimensional sport. The best coaches win by doing the basics, and doing them fundamentally well.

Not drawing up the annexation of puerta Rico, and hoping the defense is even half way good enough 

I don't want none of this crusty Carolina pie.  I miss eating crow.

1 minute ago, Catsfan69 said:

Because Rhule and Snow built a Big 12 defense of small fast guys.

That doesn't work in the NFL.

Hell it doesn't work in the SEC

It's absolutely pitiful. In this NFL, if you can't stop the run you ain't got a chance in hell at winning a football game. The BASICS of football doesn't exist at the pro-level in Charlotte. Luke and TD have to be ashamed to have ever even represented this team.