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11 minutes ago, JetFan said:
This is a similar opinion to the OP, but I would say that Brady will implement a plan to fix these issues, at least from what Ive read about him. As opposed to Gase, who spent literally 2 years not communicating with his QB during games
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1 minute ago, The Goddamn Jets said:
The next season, he played against 5 of the bottom 6 defenses in the league, with the 2nd easiest schedule in the league. His performances were a nightmare, and he graded out as a bottom 3 QB, despite the wins and the cupcake defenses.
And, re: Brees, starts are more important than age or years. By starts, Brees was killing it, while Darnold was working towards 2-14 and grading out worse than then Taysom Hill and Jalen Hurts and others.
Starts are more important? I at least hope you realize that is not a factual statement.
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26 minutes ago, The Goddamn Jets said:
Alright, I guess it's time for that JetFan vs. The Goddamn Jets fight that was posited...
Darnold did have those problems his rookie year. Pre-Gase, he was the 30+ in DVOA and DYAR and threw for under 200 yards in over half of his games. So, overall, it was a very bad year by a QB.
You're speaking specifically to the end of the year. But, Jets fans like to pretend the post-injury end of the year was 2 games, not 4. He had a great game against Green Bay (terrible defense that year), and a good game against Houston. But, in the other two of them, he threw for 170 yards and 167 yards and a combined 1 TD and 1 INT.
So, here's what actually happened. He had a bad rookie season. But, because he had a great game, and a good game at the end of it, people assumed this was a representation of improvement and a sign of things to come. A cocktail of recency bias, wishful thinking, and small sample sizes. They ignored the two duds (50%) he put up post injury as well. Then, the evil Adam Gase came along, and when Darnold didn't maintain his Houston and Green Bay performances, but rather, performed as he did most of his rookie season, they blamed Gase, rather than accepting the two performances as the anomalies they've proven to be.
As for Tannenhill - He was much better under Gase than Darnold was under Gase. He is, simply, a better player.
As for Brees - He played very well in his fourth year in the league, but it was his 3rd year actually playing, and only 27 prior starts. Sam Darnold has played 3 years, was a disaster in year 3, and had a similar 26 prior starts leading into the year.
So, after 26/27 starts, Brees went 11-4, throwing for 3100 yards, 65% completion, and 27 TDs to 7 INTs while Sam went 2-10 throwing for 2200 yards, 59% completion, and 9 TDs to 11 INTs, and is PFF's worst QB in the NFL and 2nd worst when removing throws under pressure.
Brees was 26 year old player. 4 years in the league. Please
And I am not throwing out or ignoring any games. Never suggested that. Sam did have his bad games, as any rookie should. Thats Just the territory. But, he did show great promise against good and great defenses down the stretch of that year. And the the next season, won most of his games. So with the combination of Gase and a disastrous roster, there is no way he has had a fair shake or evaluation. He will get that this upcoming season
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11 hours ago, The Goddamn Jets said:
Environment didn't do him any favors, but problems go beyond the Jets being incompetent. Many were there since college. More athlete than QB.
Darnold did not show those problems, second half of his rookie season, and then Gase took over. Darnold was on a nice stretch back then. Then he was Tannehilled. He is 23 yers old, ( Look up Brees after year 3 and 25 yrs old)and would not be the first young player to turn it around. He's got a shot , now that he is with an actual coach.
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Sam is 23. 24 when the season kicks off
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1 hour ago, PandaMan said:
Welcome! Seems like Jets fans have a soft spot for Darnold. He appears to be a good kid who has had poor coaching. Really hoping he works out. He definitely has more potential than Teddy, so at this point I’m all in. I’m hyped about our new QB coach as well, which apparently Darnold hasn’t had in a couple years. Pretty bad when your HC is Gase and he is HC, OC, and QB coach. I think you got a good one in Saleh.
oh yes, we do. Amazing kid
Joe Douglas went out of his way to praise Sam today, at the press conference. It’s worth the listen, if you get a chance. The Jets WOULD NOT have traded Sam, if they had the 3 pick in this draft. You can take that to the bank. They just love Wilson.
Also, it’s important to remember, Sam is younger than Joe Burrow and Daniel Jones. He is the youngest in his class. The Panthers took a high upside gamble
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8 hours ago, hepcat said:
I don't disagree that Darnold was in a sh*t situation on the Jets. But you have to call a spade a spade - Darnold straight up sucked on the Jets. I don't expect him to magically become a good QB just because he's on on the Jets anymore. If he does, I'll gladly eat crow.
He was not "sh**" his first season. He did turn into a bad decision maker by year 3. Gase had something to do with that. Ask Tannehill. Nobody knows where Sam goes from here, but with good coaching and support, he may reach his potential. He was a different player the last part of his rookie year. I encourage you to watch a few of those games. Vs Texans, Bills, Packers. There was tremendous optimism before bug eyes showed up
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Moderators, could you please move this to the correct forum? Thanks
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I come in peace. Hope to be here often next season. Nice to meet you all
First off, we all know Sam had major issues this past season. Not seeing open receivers, bing careless with the ball... etc. But, we also know the coaching was non existent. Ify you ever watched a Jet game, you would know not once in 2 seasons did Gase pull the kid to side and go over what was going wrong. Gase was a horrible leader and coach. Ask Tannehill.
I do not where Sam goes from here, but I do know he was a different player from his rookie year. He had so much promise. And you have to remember the Jets had a winning record when he played his second season. Then came the disaster season. He has to clean up his decision making, but if Brady is as good as advertised, you guys may have a steal. I can tell you about 60% of Jet fans did not want Sam to be traded. Most did want a Qb drafted, but many of those wanted it to be a competition. Sam is an OUTSTANDING guy and many of us will root for him in Carolina. If he can clean up the decisions and allow the game to slow down, maybe the flashes of brilliance he showed as a rookie will resurface and he can become a true franchise QB.
Here is a game against vs a stout D in late December, who were fighting for the playoffs.
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It’s going to turn out by year’s end ,that many of the things you said Sam couldn’t do will turn out to be false.
Reminder to the remaining Darnold haters. Quarterbacks get use their weapons. That is a thing! Ask Aaron Jones about Rodgers