The Goddamn Jets

No, but I grew up in the town the Sopranos was shot, and saw that quite a lot.

When trying to make an Apples to Apples comparison about a QB "getting it together," yes they are. Nobody says it took 4 years for Aaron Rodgers to figure it out.

The next season, he played against 5 of the bottom 6 defenses in the league, with the 2nd easiest schedule in the league. His performances were a nightmare, and he graded out as a bottom 3 QB, despite the wins and the cupcake defenses. And, re: Brees, starts are more important than age or years. By starts, Brees was killing it, while Darnold was working towards 2-14 and grading out worse than then Taysom Hill and Jalen Hurts and others.

I only have Report and Share. Maybe a post threshold before you can edit?

*aim. No edit button on this website?

I am to please.

I'm disappointed I have to root against you guys for the sake of my newly minted 2nd round pick, but here we are... That, and I have to root against Darnold because being right on the internet is the most important thing in life.

I have my concerns. Not much more I can say. I'd be open to trading #2, still. And, I wouldn't hate Fields. But, it sees Wilson is the guy, so here we go!

Alright, I guess it's time for that JetFan vs. The Goddamn Jets fight that was posited... Darnold did have those problems his rookie year. Pre-Gase, he was the 30+ in DVOA and DYAR and threw for under 200 yards in over half of his games. So, overall, it was a very bad year by a QB. You're speaking specifically to the end of the year. But, Jets fans like to pretend the post-injury end of the year was 2 games, not 4. He had a great game against Green Bay (terrible defense that year), and a good game against Houston. But, in the other two of them, he threw for 170 yards and 167 yards and a combined 1 TD and 1 INT. So, here's what actually happened. He had a bad rookie season. But, because he had a great game, and a good game at the end of it, people assumed this was a representation of improvement and a sign of things to come. A cocktail of recency bias, wishful thinking, and small sample sizes. They ignored the two duds (50%) he put up post injury as well. Then, the evil Adam Gase came along, and when Darnold didn't maintain his Houston and Green Bay performances, but rather, performed as he did most of his rookie season, they blamed Gase, rather than accepting the two performances as the anomalies they've proven to be. As for Tannenhill - He was much better under Gase than Darnold was under Gase. He is, simply, a better player. As for Brees - He played very well in his fourth year in the league, but it was his 3rd year actually playing, and only 27 prior starts. Sam Darnold has played 3 years, was a disaster in year 3, and had a similar 26 prior starts leading into the year. So, after 26/27 starts, Brees went 11-4, throwing for 3100 yards, 65% completion, and 27 TDs to 7 INTs while Sam went 2-10 throwing for 2200 yards, 59% completion, and 9 TDs to 11 INTs, and is PFF's worst QB in the NFL and 2nd worst when removing throws under pressure.

Yes. Wilson also grades out much higher on QBASE than Darnold did.

Give me the big duck. Tiny horses sound adorable. I don't watch enough college ball to have a well informed opinion. I'm scared of him for the reason's anyone is: Size, injury history, competition, maybe a douche. Still, I probably take my chances on him. As stated before, last time we waited on a QB, we passed on Watson and Mahommes, to suck for Sam, and we traded #6, and 3 2nds for Darnold, and you saw how well that worked. Sure, we can get a lot more for the pick, but thanks to the Adams trade, we're picking again in the 1st round this year, twice next year, and we now have your 2nd next year. That's got to be sufficient to build a team around any QB. Will Zach Beiber be good? I don't know. But I think the right play is to find out.

I think your answer will come in how it happens, if it happens the way you're predicting. If it's all quick drop, one read stuff, where his decision making is limited, with a mix of designed roll outs, you can probably say it's scheme. If he looks like a different QB. Going through his progressions, smart with the football, understanding what a defense is giving him, then something's clicked.

I think one of the big problems with Darnold, as I stated before re: a Favre comp, is that he's good a good enough by NFL standards arm, but not good enough by gunslinger standards arm.

This issue has a bit of a North Carolina Bathroom Bill feel.

Always thought Rex was the "cool guy" that Woody Johnson got to hang out with him.

Is the best restaurant in this great nation, the Cheesepie Factory?

c) Attenborough

If my posts haven't given it away, I'm a believer in the players being significantly more important than coaching. Draft well, including of course at QB, and your team will succeed. Draft poorly, and your team will fail. I'm not holding any candles for Adam Gase - it was his time, and the team was a disaster these past two years. But, our roster has/had so few actual NFL players, that there was no chance he was going to succeed. As for Saleh, I like that he's well respected in league circles. I like that he's someone Douglas didn't know, so he must have impressed with reputation, body of work, and vision. And, I like that it was widely reported (much like Douglas) that he was our top choice, and we got him. I'm used to getting our 3rd choice of coaches. But, ultimately, I believe his success is on Joe Douglas's drafts, and frankly, likely on who Wilson becomes. As for Rhule, that hiring cycle was an absolute disaster. We fired the HC and kept the GM, something we did in the opposite not long before (Fired Tannenbaum/Kept Rex), and it was a total disaster. And then, we tried to force a staff on him, and Rhule, smartly said no thanks. I would have been happy to have him, but I am grateful to Gase for ridding us of Maccagnan.

You spelled "ever" wrong, sir.

More questions about keeping produce fresh, pls.

He's a great story, an icon for the league and obviously the Jets. It's depressing that all these years later, he's still the face of the franchise. The Suzy Kolbert thing didn't help, either.

Agreed. No idea if he'll be any good. I do know that current management has made offensive line a priority. In the 4 drafts prior, 2015-2018, we drafted two OL, both in the 5th round. In Joe Douglas's (current GM) first draft, his first two picks were OL/WR.

Queens. Jets played at Shea Stadium in Flushing for 20 years between the mid-60s and mid-80s.

You figured it out... Theodore is my son, and your rotten franchise did him dirty!

A lot of coaches seem to think this - but yes, I'd guess it's a factor.