The Goddamn Jets

2 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Have you ever been around where they were filming outdoor scenes for Law and Order?

No, but I grew up in the town the Sopranos was shot, and saw that quite a lot.

Just now, JetFan said:

Starts are more important?  I at least hope you realize that is not a factual statement.  

When trying to make an Apples to Apples comparison about a QB "getting it together," yes they are.

Nobody says it took 4 years for Aaron Rodgers to figure it out.

2 minutes ago, JetFan said:

Brees was 26 year old player. 4 years in the league.  Please

 

And I am not throwing  out or ignoring any games.  Never suggested that.   Sam did have his bad games, as any rookie should. Thats Just the territory. But, he did show great promise against good and great defenses down the stretch of that year.   And the the next season, won most of his games. So with the combination of Gase and a disastrous roster, there is no way he has had a fair shake or evaluation.  He will get that this upcoming season

The next season, he played against 5 of the bottom 6 defenses in the league, with the 2nd easiest schedule in the league.  His performances were a nightmare, and he graded out as a bottom 3 QB, despite the wins and the cupcake defenses.

And, re: Brees, starts are more important than age or years.  By starts, Brees was killing it, while Darnold was working towards 2-14 and grading out worse than then Taysom Hill and Jalen Hurts and others.

5 minutes ago, joemac said:

Top right of the post, behind the 3 dots.

I only have Report and Share.  Maybe a post threshold before you can edit?

Just now, The Goddamn Jets said:

I am to please.

*aim.

No edit button on this website?

2 minutes ago, SOJA said:

LOL OP this thread title had me hooked plus your username A+

I am to please.

5 minutes ago, FattyFatFat said:

He definitely has a very punchable face. But I agree you have to take that chance. The kid can sling it a mile and has that escapability when the pocket breaks down. If we could’ve just found a way to lose to the WFT I’d be very excited about him coming to Carolina. But, the panthers are gonna panther...

 

Best of luck to your boys !
 

 

I'm disappointed I have to root against you guys for the sake of my newly minted 2nd round pick, but here we are...  That, and I have to root against Darnold because being right on the internet is the most important thing in life.

4 minutes ago, joemac said:

What do you think about the level of competition Wilson faced at BYU?  I have seen the splits on his performance between the cupcakes the usually played, and when they actually played a good team - and they are not good.

I have my concerns.  Not much more I can say.

I'd be open to trading #2, still.  And, I wouldn't hate Fields.  But, it sees Wilson is the guy, so here we go!

7 minutes ago, JetFan said:

Darnold did not show those problems,  second half of his rookie season, and then Gase took over.  Darnold was on a nice stretch back then.  Then he was Tannehilled. He is 23 yers old, ( Look up Brees after year 3 and 25 yrs old)and would not be the first young player to turn it around. He's  got a shot , now that he is with an actual coach. 

Alright, I guess it's time for that JetFan vs. The Goddamn Jets fight that was posited...

Darnold did have those problems his rookie year.  Pre-Gase, he was the 30+ in DVOA and DYAR and threw for under 200 yards in over half of his games.  So, overall, it was a very bad year by a QB.

You're speaking specifically to the end of the year.  But, Jets fans like to pretend the post-injury end of the year was 2 games, not 4.  He had a great game against Green Bay (terrible defense that year), and a good game against Houston.  But, in the other two of them, he threw for 170 yards and 167 yards and a combined 1 TD and 1 INT.

So, here's what actually happened.  He had a bad rookie season.  But, because he had a great game, and a good game at the end of it, people assumed this was a representation of improvement and a sign of things to come.  A cocktail of recency bias, wishful thinking, and small sample sizes.  They ignored the two duds (50%) he put up post injury as well.  Then, the evil Adam Gase came along, and when Darnold didn't maintain his Houston and Green Bay performances, but rather, performed as he did most of his rookie season, they blamed Gase, rather than accepting the two performances as the anomalies they've proven to be.

As for Tannenhill - He was much better under Gase than Darnold was under Gase.  He is, simply, a better player.

As for Brees - He played very well in his fourth year in the league, but it was his 3rd year actually playing, and only 27 prior starts.  Sam Darnold has played 3 years, was a disaster in year 3, and had a similar 26 prior starts leading into the year.

So, after 26/27 starts, Brees went 11-4, throwing for 3100 yards, 65% completion, and 27 TDs to 7 INTs while Sam went 2-10 throwing for 2200 yards, 59% completion, and 9 TDs to 11 INTs, and is PFF's worst QB in the NFL and 2nd worst when removing throws under pressure.

10 minutes ago, joemac said:

Does Wilson have a stronger arm than Sam?  From what I have seen they look pretty similar.

Yes.

Wilson also grades out much higher on QBASE than Darnold did.

7 minutes ago, FattyFatFat said:

Would you rather fight one horse-sized duck or 10 duck-sized horses?

 

 

Also curious to know your thoughts on Zach Wilson. You sound level headed and have stated your hate for all QBs outside of Namath. Would you rather have ZW or take the haul you’d get for the number 2 pick? 

Give me the big duck.  Tiny horses sound adorable.

I don't watch enough college ball to have a well informed opinion.  I'm scared of him for the reason's anyone is: Size, injury history, competition, maybe a douche.

Still, I probably take my chances on him.  As stated before, last time we waited on a QB, we passed on Watson and Mahommes, to suck for Sam, and we traded #6, and 3 2nds for Darnold, and you saw how well that worked.  Sure, we can get a lot more for the pick, but thanks to the Adams trade, we're picking again in the 1st round this year, twice next year, and we now have your 2nd next year.  That's got to be sufficient to build a team around any QB.

Will Zach Beiber be good?  I don't know.  But I think the right play is to find out.

33 minutes ago, joemac said:

What I think is going to happen next year is this - Joe Brady is going to scheme his everloving ass off for Darnold each and every game, and Darnold is going to look like a million bucks in the process of this.  He will have a career year, and possibly lead the Panthers to the playoffs. 

Then, Brady is going to get snatched away for a Head Coach position, and invariably, Darnold is going to fall back to his normal state of being the year after that - and everybody is going to be looking at each other like WTF happened.

Well, Joe Brady happened.  We've seen it before with Hot Shot, young, "genius" OC's.  See Sean McVay and Kyle Shannahan. They schemed mediocre, young QBs to career years, and then when they left, these QBs poo the bed. 

I think Darnold has a real shot here - but I am always going to be wondering (at least this year), is the a Darnold thing, or is it a Brady thing?  Maybe a combination of both?

I think your answer will come in how it happens, if it happens the way you're predicting.

If it's all quick drop, one read stuff, where his decision making is limited, with a mix of designed roll outs, you can probably say it's scheme.  If he looks like a different QB.  Going through his progressions, smart with the football, understanding what a defense is giving him, then something's clicked.

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Ooof. I feel your pain on that one.

I agree, though. I would take Darnold last in that group at the moment and would take Winston over Trubisky.

I think all three are fairly standard gunslinger that lean towards the "WTF" end of the decision making spectrum. At least Winston and Trubisky have some games where they are just clicking and torching people. Darnold doesn't really seem to have that. I think it's unfair to completely lay that on Gase and/or the Jets. Some of that is Darnold too.

I think one of the big problems with Darnold, as I stated before re: a Favre comp, is that he's good a good enough by NFL standards arm, but not good enough by gunslinger standards arm.

5 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

But pie has a crust. And cheesecake has a crust.

This issue has a bit of a North Carolina Bathroom Bill feel.

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

As I recall, Woody Johnson kept Rex Ryan despite poor results because he loved his bravado.

(I remember shaking my head when I read that)

Always thought Rex was the "cool guy" that Woody Johnson got to hang out with him.

5 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

What a bastard. So, question:

Is cheesecake a pie or a cake?

Is the best restaurant in this great nation, the Cheesepie Factory?

13 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If you were making a documentary on the great Joe Namath time as a qb, would you want it narrated by James Earl Jones or Morgan Freeman. 

c) Attenborough

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Fair enough

I'm curious what your opinion of Robert Saleh is vs the other choices (if I recall correctly, there were many).

Also wondering if you had an opinion of Matt Rhule given that he was almost the Jets coach a while back.

If my posts haven't given it away, I'm a believer in the players being significantly more important than coaching.  Draft well, including of course at QB, and your team will succeed.  Draft poorly, and your team will fail.  I'm not holding any candles for Adam Gase - it was his time, and the team was a disaster these past two years.  But, our roster has/had so few actual NFL players, that there was no chance he was going to succeed.

As for Saleh, I like that he's well respected in league circles.  I like that he's someone Douglas didn't know, so he must have impressed with reputation, body of work, and vision.  And, I like that it was widely reported (much like Douglas) that he was our top choice, and we got him.  I'm used to getting our 3rd choice of coaches.  But, ultimately, I believe his success is on Joe Douglas's drafts, and frankly, likely on who Wilson becomes.

As for Rhule, that hiring cycle was an absolute disaster.  We fired the HC and kept the GM, something we did in the opposite not long before (Fired Tannenbaum/Kept Rex), and it was a total disaster.  And then, we tried to force a staff on him, and Rhule, smartly said no thanks.  I would have been happy to have him, but I am grateful to Gase for ridding us of Maccagnan.

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I think Douglas is going to be a pretty good GM.

Lord knows you haven't had that in a while.

You spelled "ever" wrong, sir.

2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

This thread is gold. Love it!

More questions about keeping produce fresh, pls.

1 minute ago, joemac said:

Namath's HBO documentary was awesome.

He's a great story, an icon for the league and obviously the Jets.

It's depressing that all these years later, he's still the face of the franchise.  The Suzy Kolbert thing didn't help, either.

5 minutes ago, Shocker said:

If the Jets dont build an offense around Wilson you will be looking for another QB 3 years from now.  Wilson has a big step up in comp coming and an injury history to boot.

Agreed.  No idea if he'll be any good.

I do know that current management has made offensive line a priority.

In the 4 drafts prior, 2015-2018, we drafted two OL, both in the 5th round.

In Joe Douglas's (current GM) first draft, his first two picks were OL/WR.

4 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Why are Jets fans typically Mets fans? Are Jets fans genetically masochists?

 

Queens.

Jets played at Shea Stadium in Flushing for 20 years between the mid-60s and mid-80s.

5 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Whose alt is this?

You figured it out...

Theodore is my son, and your rotten franchise did him dirty!

14 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Its because the amount of ego in our front office and coaching staff. They like the idea of turning sh*t players into something decent. Its not a winning strategy but might help some of them advance their careers. Very ego driven. 

A lot of coaches seem to think this - but yes, I'd guess it's a factor.