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18 hours ago, PanthersATL said:

But other than a few people who like the nostalgia of it, nobody new cares for Stand and Cheer...

I forgot about that song. I had the TMNT soundtrack cassette tape so, I know about horrible songs.

4 minutes ago, stackofbacon said:

according to the mlb website, Red Sox first played it in '97, and not regularly until '02.

wikipedia says we started in '96

or are you referring to another sports franchise?

Well, look who's getting their teaching degree today. Did not know that. I honestly could not tell you the first time I heard it at a Panther game. I didn't hear it when they played at Clemson, which was 95 and you say it started in 96

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Easy to miss Derrick Brown learning.   Hard to miss a DB

No doubt, extra 5 yard rush vs 80 yd bomb

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Red Sox “thing”.

It is. It is a little rape-y feeling vibe to the song too. If you read the lyrics and know it's about a 11 or 12 year old it's not a good sound. If it were up to Rhule it would be some Dave Matthews band song.

Any options there?

Maybe at the end of the game - Where are you going?  or a blowout

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I think Horn would look much better as a rookie in spot situations where we could just play him to his strengths.    The assumption I am going with is he will be a full time starter.    

I think you are right. This team, this DB crew, I think he is a day one starter and possibly the 2nd best DB on the team, that's scary.

15 hours ago, CRA said:

I’ve always thought it was kinda whack to try to adopt that as a Panther thing….given everyone knows another sports franchise made it their thing before us.  

Need Petey Pablo to write us a song?

High: DJ Moore - I think DJ will have a lot to prove this year. May earn himself a contract extension or build himself up for a large contract elsewhere. He will be working with a new QB but, with Brady in year two and some other new weapons at WR, he could shine.  Also he is not rated very high among experts, chip on the shoulder?

Not sure: Sam Darnold. It's a risk worth taking for a former top 5 pick that is below 25. If he can stay healthy and develop some accuracy, he can do well. I believe if the offensive line gives him time to throw, he can be great.

Low: Offensive Line....Did they do enough in the draft and FA to build the line? There were a few top notch FA's out there that we could have went after. I hope they do a great job getting these guys ready to block for Darnold.

17 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

McCaffrey spoke with Jonathan M. Alexander of the Charlotte Observer about all things Panthers heading into the 2020 NFL season, including the arrival of quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, saying:

It's PR 101. You are not likely to slam your new QB unless you are the Old QB and he may be taking your job. Hopefully this works with Darnold. It's odd that he is a 3 year working on 4 year guy and he is still very young. If this works(hope it does) it just further proves that the system or team is to blame for a lot of these rookie QB's downfalls. 

3 hours ago, frankw said:

We should have played our young draft picks more through the second half of the season

Exactly. Could they have done any worse playing some of the rookies? Once Bridges went out, it was pretty much downhill. Should have gone big with the rookies to see what happens.

17 hours ago, Shocker said:

That said defense in general must get better or we will have the same conversation next season too.

Yes, agreed.  We had two centers on our team that we did not play (Carey, Richards). Are they good? We don't know, didn't see them much. Zeller can be a good power forward not center but, I think his time is over in Charlotte. Biyombo, he can come back at league minimum salary if he wants. Not sure about Monk, he was a flash in the pan before he hurt his ankle. I love Rozier, he is a fighter and plays hard all the time, that being said...we probably could have traded him for a center which we desperately need. We were looking at Montrezl from the Lakers, that would have been a trade that helped both teams. We have way too many guards on the team, need to get bigger.

2 hours ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

Great idea. Let's start 5 guards!

Who needs rebounding and shot blocking? Let's just have 5 guys shooting threes with no rebounding. The defense bothers me. They are very spotty with the defense.  At times they would have PJ, a Martin twin, Rozier, Graham and Hayward on the floor. He never got Carey or Richards involved even though Carey did well in the G league. At the end of the year when they were skidding, he should have tried something else. Zeller is a power forward at best, not a center. Biyombo- plays hard, just not an NBA starter.

5 hours ago, frankw said:

it is time to either look at the coach the culture of the team or the overall roster. You do not just pick up and reset like nothing happened. Things need to be shaken up.

No doubt. Gordon Hayward should not have made that much of a difference. Either they meant to lose so they can get a better pick -(I mean what heck else was that?),Coaches did not have them prepared or the players just didn't care - back to coaching.

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

McCaffrey wasn't a Marty pick.

I couldn't remember, Marty must have taken over at the end of 2017.  Oh well even worse then

Just now, OldhamA said:

Because Matt Rhule is here to win football games.

Everyone talked about Temple and Baylor, he was not good the first year, got better the 2nd and was winning in the 3rd year. Tepper should know the first year would not be good. Add covid and completely new staff, new players, I think 2-14 would have been acceptable if it got us Trevor. 

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

Hurney was one of the biggest home run hitters at the top of the draft.

We were always at the top because we were bad.  I'd rather be drafting in the 25-32 picks in 1st round.  Luke, Cam, McCaffrey, Burns were good picks.

We knew the defense was in rebuild mode, and we all know that defense wins championships. Well, a defense full of rookies, we should have cut our losses. Get the roster younger and cheaper. a rookie defense against Brady, Brees and Ryan.  Should have drafted all CB's in the draft or instead of Teddy get a good FA CB

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

If you're a guy in the last year of your contract and hoping against hope for an extension though, tanking is off the table.

 I know but, he did not have them in a position to win a lot of games with his roster moves.

Lavar Ball? 

My Fav Panthers are Smitty, Luke, Delhomme, Pep and Olsen.

JAG -  Hooooooover, Ricky Proehl, Josh Norman - bring him back!

1 minute ago, CRA said:

and if you tank for Trevor,  you aren't even guaranteed he will be there as he was.  He could of taken a nasty hit in college football and broken his neck.    Clemson has had 2 guys in recent years break there neck.  That's football. 

I think you still do it, tank. Trevor or Zach Wilson, whatever QB that emerges would have been better than paying Teddy a ton of money and still stink. If Will Grier was drafted to be a QB, try it.  

I was thinking Hurney was "just bad" but after reading all this it's really got my anger fires burning. Hurney was a dumpster fire. Looking at previous drafts and how many misses he had, wow. Suckfest. Gettleman, while he had a plan was not far behind Hurney. I hope Fitterer is better. Seemed like some of the picks this year were Rhule's picks and not Scott's

33 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Marty wasn't on board with the rebuild last year, for obvious reasons (saving his own ass).

Still got let go. I am sure he wanted to win, I guess he wanted us to win enough so we wouldn't get Trevor Lawrence? That's all they did. PJ Walker wins a game? Huh? If we had lost to Washington, I think we would have had the number 3 pick? trade it or get Trey Lance/Justin Fields or whatever. Last year was just a weird year. I would have rather lost 14 or 15 games than lose 11.  

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Round 3 - Pick 100: QB Will Grier

Another oft discussed topic, including the mention that Marty had Grier rated above some of the top quarterbacks in the draft. To his credit, Grier has been working on improving, but the outlook still isn't optimistic.

Why didn't they just roll with Will last year? We would have won 1 maybe 2 games in my opinion and been in the Trevor sweepstakes. Or...you find out Grier is good. I am thinking he is not but, you drafted him, find out.

Usually Hurney's best pick is the first round pick. Most teams do well with that pick. It's 2nd round and later we need our scouts and GM to be great. We were always picking high because we miss the playoffs a lot.

Stephen A called out Hayward.. I don't always agree with him but, he said Lamelo came back broke wrist and all and here's Hayward nursing a ankle sprain. Was he available? Did the team keep him sidelined? It would be nice if journalists would find out these details before calling him out.  If he was healthy enough  and chose not to play....hmmm.

14 minutes ago, 33inNC said:

Between him and Monk, I'm not sure if the light goes on upstairs. They both seem to like the idea of being an NBA player more than actually improving. If they had half the fire of Terry, they'd be good players. 

The Hornets talked at one time about having Brdiges and Washington, one would have to go. Send PJ packing and keep Miles. We need a true power forward.