NiceDreams

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

I know there's injuries now and OL isn't opening holes but not understanding why Chuba has been getting 90% of RB snaps, he's obviously not a 3 down back. 

Probably because Ruhle already knows who his workhouse RB is during crunch time.

Let Sammy boy finish out the half. Get him those reps.

Marshall looks like a player. Nice job by him.

Gotta let same take a couple shots at the endzone here.

6 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

I am feeling less confident now. 

Pssshhhhhh. Flip flopper. 

Just now, OneBadCat said:

Darnold has a habit of hesitating on his throws. It’s like he has to check to make sure someone’s open because he doesn’t believe it.

Good observation. Going to take time to break some of the bad habits he formed in NY, but if he can start trusting his instincts again and ball out, good things will happen for your guys. 

5 hours ago, glenwo2 said:

Jet Nation...PFFT! 

Are you done or not? I can't tell.

8 hours ago, CRA said:

I have never really heard Jets fans complain that he would lock onto WRs.  

Generally the knock was his decision making.  Which is I why I have always consider his ceiling being a version of Jake Delhomme - minus the early career moxie Jake had that Tommy Jone took.  Obviously a better athlete though.  

Take a stroll over to the Jet Nation forums. You'll see a fair amount of it. Beat reporters Rich Cimini, Conor Hughes, Manish Mehta, Brian Costello, Joe Caporoso....etc wrote about it more than they should have over the past 3 seasons. Robby Sabo provided some great breakdowns of it on twitter.  

However, I would agree to your point. Overall decision making was probably the most popular gripe amongst our fan base, along with poor footwork/mechanics and inability to decipher the defense. 

13 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

^^^^  That's your rebuttal?    Welp....Looks like we're done here.    Bye.

Lighten up Francis

10 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

If you don't see him looking at other receivers prior to throwing the ball, then I give up as you have it in your mind that Sam only sees one receiver even when it's not true.

This conversation is over.    Keep believing what you want to believe.

I'm done. 

Three years of tape, performance and metrics are readily available for you to sift through. If either of us is creating some type of alternate reality here, its not me. But sure, lets agree to disagree. Cheers.

On 8/23/2021 at 8:28 PM, glenwo2 said:

 

Uhh....you're not the only one who watched every single game of his young career, you know? 

What you saw as an "inability to process info and get through his progressions quickly", I saw as him trying to find one lone player to make a throw to because the rest of the team was GARBAGE!!   

Also, I saw him as trying to play "Hero Ball" because of said team being GARBAGE!!!  

If they would've surrounded him with actual TALENT, he wouldn't have been forced to play way over his head at that point of his career.  

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s--t, as the saying goes.

And as far as I'm concerned, It sounded more like you hope Sam will struggle against the Jets (which I guess is understandable since you are still a Jets fan hanging around the Panthers board) rather than hope for him to have success.

 

There is so much wrong with this post. The only true statement in it is the Jets being garbage last year.

On 8/23/2021 at 9:08 PM, glenwo2 said:

 Okay....I'm looking at the vids and I'm seeing him go through his progressions (quickly as the O-Line was sh-t but anyway).

I do not see this bullsh-t "Locking onto a receiver" like some were whining about.

What the hell, people?  @NiceDreams

 

You're kidding me? A highlight reel tape of positive plays doesn't show Sam locking onto his receivers and having trouble reading the defense? Very bizarre. 

4 hours ago, glenwo2 said:

 

Oh really?

This is your post before :

Doesn't sound like someone who "truly wants nothing but success for the young man", now does it?

Both of these things can be true simultaneously. Hoping, and wishing Sam has success for your team, while at the same time acknowledging one of his weaknesses during his first 3 seasons has been an inability to process information and get through his progressions quickly. As much as I like him, I also have eyes and watched every single game of his young career. My personal feelings about his success has no bearing on making an honest and good faith assessment of his strengths and weaknesses. 

4 hours ago, glenwo2 said:

Maybe...Zach runs into his lineman's ass before that happens.   You never know.

Speaking of AFC Championship Games, Jets messed up by not re-signing Braylon Edwards and instead chose CrapTonio Holmes but I digress.

BTW, are you a former Jets fan or are you a fan that is just here following what is happening with Sam?

Don't get me started on Santonio...smh. I'm a full functioning Jets fan in good standing. Just following Sam as I was a big supporter of his when we first drafted him and truly want nothing but success for the young man. He's a great kid who was given the worst HC / situation in all the NFL. There really is no where for him to go but up from the hellscape that was Adam Gase.

5 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I like Stafford and would have taken him over Darnold.

Stafford had 4 winning seasons in his 12 years in Detroit.  Stats aren't everything. You could say the same thing about Stafford as we do Darnold.  Poorly run franchise, rarely a complete set of weapons and the need to move on.   Both go to potentially potent offenses which should bring out the best in them.

To say their isn't a comparison isn't accurate.  There are a lot of similarities and plenty of things they don't have in common but to say their isn't a comparison is wrong. 

  

In the context of this discussion, equating Sam's lack of playing time to Stafford's lack of playing time is not really a good comparison. Stafford is basically a guaranteed 4,000+ YDs and 20+ TDs every year plays a full season. Sam's best year would be a terrible year for Stafford. Not to mention he's a going into his 13th year.

1 hour ago, glenwo2 said:

surrrre.     Let's go with that, buddy. 

 

Zach could end up being yet another Mark Sanchez (but without the weapons to help him succeed his first two seasons).    Good Luck...pffft!

I'll take back-to-back AFC Championship Games. Maybe we can actually win one this time.

Just now, glenwo2 said:

surrrre.     Let's go with that, buddy. 

I have no choice my man!

8 minutes ago, glenwo2 said:

And take this from a Former Jets fan :

The Jets will ruin Zach Wilson.  ENJOY.

 

Players either have it or they don't. The whole "insert franchise" ruined "insert player" is a fallacy, IMO.

1 minute ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

I am using the standards set before me.

I am told Darnold should start and play more because he is on a new team with a new system.  Don't yall back track on your "Darnold should play more" wagon now.

Or at least have a meeting or something.

What standards did I set? 

Just now, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

No, because then you have to find someone that changed teams, the clear starter, and is learning a new system.

How many "non proven commodities" did that?

You're over complicating this. 

Just now, OldhamA said:

A former Top 3 pick traded to a new team?

Pretty similar, yeah.

Now compare performance.

1 minute ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

 

Honestly, I just like how the situations get more exact and specific over time to exclude anyone else in the NFL.

Then after we are sure 100% of QBs are excluded from the "Darnold comp" we still moan that he isn't getting reps.  Despite there now being no one to compare him to in a similar situation getting reps.

But we will cite QBs not a Darnold comp who are getting reps.  And use that as evidence for why he should get reps.

But don't you do do the same exact thing and point out QBs not getting reps.

It's not really that difficult to find comps to Darnold. Pretty much exclude anyone who is a proven commodity.

16 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

As I understand it, Matt Stafford hasn't played for the Rams either.

Surely he needs game reps to learn a new system, right?

Do you truly believe Stafford and Darnold are in similar situations? 

From the outside looking in, the lack of playing time and in-game reps is a bit of a head-scratcher. You'd think the coaches would want to get Sam meaningful reps, but I don't get paid the big bucks like Ruhle so I'm sure he has some type of plan on how he wants to handle him after 3 years of NY trauma.

3 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Staring down a receiver means you lock onto one guy and bc of that you dont see anyone else... there is no logical progression to what you just said.

Sam scanned the area and waited for the longer developing route to open up. How is that the same as "locking onto a receiver?"

Sam's had plenty of bad reps I'm sure, but that wasn't one of them

Bit of a strawman as I didn't say it was a bad rep. It was a completion and the play was successful. Point being, Sam clearly locked onto Robby pre-snap and didn't look at any other part of the field. Robby was the only receiver in that area, aside from a check-down. Whether he considered the check-down could be open for debate. After watching him play for 3 years, once he locks on he's pretty much made up his mind. In itself that isn't terrible, but in time you'll realize he is not proficient in making his progressions. There's pretty clear video of the sequence if you care to take a look.