LoneSpaceDrone

Don't worry guys, we're 1-0

Fire Frank and promose Evero to HC!

The screens and runs up the middle are fuging maddening

Remember when Reich said he was just keeping playcalling "vanilla" in the preseason?

Ya'll need to keep it a 

20 hours ago, LoneSpaceDrone said:

Unfortunately, in the press conference after, Tepper said just this.

Damn, I got smokescreened, well played Tepper

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I really hope we don't make the Cam mistake. Oh, we have this guy who can be the offense now we can just throw all our resources at defense!

 

Unfortunately, in the press conference after, Tepper said just this.

Yikes ... Tepper cringing when he mentioned Matt Rhule, you can tell he definitely regrets that decision.

3 hours ago, Puresteel55 said:

How could he have amassed the stats he has in college (similar to Young) if he was a poor processor? Just asking.

What I was referring to was the results of his S2 score leading to the conclusion that his processing is poor, so he'd be the outlier in that he'd have to break the mold that there are no successful NFL starters that have scored low on the S2.  Stroud did have impressive numbers for sure and I don't think its a stretch to say that he is the most accurate passer in the draft, though some people may argue that he was in a very QB friendly system where he didn't have to make many tough decisions, his receiving core were some of the best in college, and his struggles under pressure.  

I do like Stroud and in the past, I think Stroud would have been the clear favorite, but with the direction the league is going in, I think the traits that Young possesses will lead him to more success and that's what I want for the Carolina Panthers.

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

It also makes no sense?  Such a terrible take.... Keeps making new accounts to call fans of Stroud racist??

It really does make no sense ... but I've seen multiple people now trying to compare draft picks to political parties or other extreme groups.  It goes to show that we've been getting hammered into our subconscious that we must pick a side and the other side is the hated enemy.  Come on people, its a football game and we're all on the same team!

3 hours ago, ncfan said:

 

This is just sad.  Teams were always going to determine the place these quarterbacks were going but for the media to hype up this man and then tear him down all within the span of a couple weeks was just plain wrong.

8 minutes ago, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

I would tend to believe someone that has more football knowledge than either of us. And by the way you must enjoy saying a false statement about CJ being a dud which is totally ridiculous and lame to even say something stupid like that.

And there's been plenty of people with vast football knowledge that DO put stock into the test, more so than its deniers.  You can't just choose the side you agree with as the one telling the truth.  Also saying that CJ Stroud might be a dud isn't a false statement, its simply a prediction based on his processing ability.  Whether that will be proven true or not in the future remains to be seen. 

As much as Young is an outlier due to his size, CJ will be just as much an outlier due to his processing.  I really do wish CJ luck, but I think he's going to need a very good team around him to excel at the NFL level.  

If anyone were interested in observing the Dunning-Kruger effect, a certain vocal minority on this board would make excellent case studies.

37 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

"his package is rumored to be between 7-15 inches long."

I knew the Brycers had some kind of sexual attraction going on because they never had stats or comps to explain why BY is better than Kyler or Matt Corral. Confirmed.

Never heard so many excuses for a supposed #1 pick. The brain will overcome football.

Stop disguising Youngster threads as general Panther draft threads.

This country has been under a recent scourge of nerds taking revenge on the cool folks, Gates, Fauci,Schaub et al.

The over six feet and muscular have had enough of you nerds.

It sure is hard to understand the importance of intelligence when you have no frame of reference.

7 minutes ago, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

Many here are making somewhat insulting comments towards Stroud at his expense about his test score. I bet many here would literally bomb that test a lot worse than Stroud did with all that talk they are making.

And what of the people making fun of Young's size that are overweight and would never last in a game of football?

I really don't get what people have against this man.  Yes, he is short for an NFL quarterback, but damn if he doesn't make up for it in almost every other area.  Personally, I'm looking forward to a new era of Carolina Panther football and I hope everyone else is on board to come along for the ride.

This was the real smokescreen masterfully executed by TD

Imagine if the Texans pass on a QB and the Falcons trade up to 3 to get Stroud.  Sounds like an unlikely scenario but the rivalry between us would reach epic proportions.

5 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

But when you have a top 5 RB, TE, and good WRs, you don't need to be great. He pretty much avoided the back breaking mistakes and just rode those playmakers + their defense the entire season.

Not saying QBs like that are bad - they just won't win you any games.

You do realize someone could mistake you for talking about Stroud here too right?

9 minutes ago, BriceYung9 said:

We will see how he does with more weapons this year because his processing must be skewed by anxiety or something because every game the Bears had a chance to tie or win late in the game he always and I mean ALWAYS threw an interception. 

Right and we do have to consider the team around him since they didn't exactly do him any favors last year.  There are just so many factors to consider when evaluating a player's performance that its hard to single just one aspect out.

1 minute ago, Varking said:

I’m a big Fields fan and lots of folks here hate him and he scored in the 90s on the test , too. I don’t think the test is important. But for folks boosting the test as important it should show them that Justin would be killing it if given time to actually make plays and had NFL caliber players on his offense. 

Yep, you do raise a good point in that the inverse is true as well ... people boosting the test to be important because their favorite prospect scored high on it.  It is interesting and make you wonder what unfounded things we all value or devalue that could be influenced by other factors.

Not trying to be controversial, but I do find it interesting the correlation between people who are strict Stroud supporters and who say the S2 Test is meaningless.  If Stroud scored high would these people be believers in the test?  

Sidenote: I do think you'd see the same phenomenon if Bryce scored low.

15 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

CJ has always struck me as a fraud.  Something about his interviews feels disingenuous and put me off of him. He's polite but it feels conscious, not ingrained. He is confident, but he responds with almost more of an arrogance. He seems like an odd guy trying to act like he isn't. And he isn't a good actor. I think he is another in a long line of super successful college quarterbacks that SHOULD be successful in the NFL, but he lacks the mental and emotional structure to endure the path ahead. I'm telling you, whoever drafts him is going to have a time dealing with his frustrations and he is going to likely see plenty of those early on. I'm not Nostradamus, but I feel pretty confident in my ability to judge a person. I could be wrong. But he is going to need a strong support group behind the scenes and he is going to have to be willing to work at the mental aspects of being a professional athlete.

(For the record I wasn't one of the guys that felt that way about Cam pre-draft. I was worried about his play style translating, but he seemed like a fun, genuine, and ambitious guy from the jump.)

I don't know if I go so far as label him a fraud, but I do feel something disingenuous about him when he gives interviews.  Maybe it's how he mentions Jesus/God after every question, almost like he's hamming it up for the camera ... I don't know.   Just something feels off and not as natural as when Bryce is giving interviews.  Bryce looks to be a Christian too, but at least he doesn't air it out every time he speaks.  Though, it could just be something as simple as he hasn't been coached on good public relations. (case in point when he mentioned both Michael Vick and Deshaun Watson)

I love CJ as a prospect so I'm not trying to bash him but I'm glad I'm not the only one who has felt this way.  I was on the fence with these prospects, but I think this combined with Bryce's intelligence, preparedness, and professionalism has pushed him over the edge for me as my #1 despite the size difference.

As for Lombardi ... pretty shitty to knowingly throw this out there so close to the draft.  It's almost like someone has paid him for this hit piece or fishing for views for his little known network with sensational headlines.

Anyway, can't wait for the start of the season, I'm pumped!

This thread really just serves as confirmation bias to the quarterback that you were already leaning towards.  The reality is, if the quarterback that the Panther's choose busts, and the other goes on to have a pro career, it's going to suck regardless.  

Where I sit, I do have a preference, simply based on things I've read or watched, but I'm not going to pretend like I have a better understanding of these guys over people who are paid to do this, have a far deeper understanding of the game, and have countless more data to compare against.  Whoever the Panthers pick, will have my full support and trust.

Keep pounding