Matthias

Is he healthy?  I would have started him last week.

Will Levis come on down.

Is Jaycee Horn our top corner?  I never seen a team's top corner blitzing so much.

Best cover corner?

Alright folks, if you are thinking we have a chance to get our first win this season, let me help you out in saying, it's not happening.  We won't get our first win this season until Rhule has officially packed his bags and is out the door.  Depending on who takes over as interim, it still may be a toss up.  You know, the nfl power rankings before the season had us as the worst team in the league.  They were right on the money with that one, and of course it is primarily because of our coaching staff.  Take our defense for instance.  Half the time I don't know if they want to play in the 4-3 scheme, or some wonky looking 3-4.  We don't even have a proper mike linebacker to run either front.  The only reason we've played close games so far, is due to the incompetence of the teams we've played.  That actually might continue today with Famous Jameis, but I believe he's good enough and certainly has the players around him that are good enough to beat us today.

All that said, we will certainly have the first overall pick next year.  So for the off season, we need to wash the slate clean from top to bottom.  If we can get draft picks for players, no one is off the table.  If we can trade CMC, do it.  If we can trade Brian Burns, it's time to start singing "Its so hard to say goodbye to yesterday".  We have a stock market crash and we need to sale, sale, sale!!!  

Let's just say, I'm going to be rocking Barkley heavy in fantasy this week.

We drafted the wrong OT.  Ickey is going to struggle all year long, while Charles Cross looks like he already punched his ticket to the friggin Pro Bowl.  Never, never, ever/ever/ever/ EVER draft an OT that has a freaking "/Guard" to his name!!!!!!!!!!!

1 hour ago, musicman said:

Did the Baker and offense struggle for almost 3 quarters, yes.

Did the team struggle stopping the run and tackling for more than a half, yes.

Has CMC played at all this preseason? No. 

Did they put all it together and almost win it, yes. 

Missed FG and its bright spots and sunshine instead of gloom and doom.

Game 1. Let's see how they respond in NY.

 

But I will say the fans at the stadium were bringing the noise when it was needed. 

 

As bad as the offense was for most of the game, that defense looked horrible yesterday.  Even if we would have won yesterday, in the grand scheme, we don't look like a good team this year.  Overhaul, overhaul, overhaul!!!

Alright OP, come in and get this work.

My biggest problem with Chuba is that despite his size (6'1 over 200), he's not one for contact.  He goes down pretty much as soon as he is touched, according to my observation.  That was true last year, and it still appears to be true.  Now, I know he's still young, but I should have seen some improvement in that area after a year of NFL weight training.  I would be completely cool if he didn't make the final roster.

Man, y'all need to stop hyping cats up just because you want a good QB.  I don't want to hear nothing about playing with offensive line guys who aren't going to be on an NFL roster.  He was playing against defensive scrubs as well.  The truth is, Corral right now sucks, and it will probably take years before he looks like a decent QB, if ever.  Thankfully, we don't have to fool around with such time tables.  If Mayfield has a good year, he will be our QB going forward.  If he sucks and the team sucks, we draft a real QB next year.  That was always the plan in my mind.

Yeah I have zero expectations for CJ Henderson.  This guy has the talent to be a probowl corner, yet you can't even start over Donte Jackson?  Somebody else said it, Keith Taylor is the guy we should be watching for in development.  Nobody knows why CJ Henderson plays football, but it's clear he doesn't embrace it.  That's not a judgement on his quiet demeanor.  There are plenty of attention shy guys in the league who have done well and continue to do well.  It's just clear from past interviews football is not his passion.

All of them have potential.  Even the long snapper haha.  I feel like Horn will blow up and become one of the best corners in the league this year.  I'm worried for Marshall.  It's almost like he got put in a dog house by this staff.  So who knows if he will get a true chance to show his stuff.  He has to bet on himself and develop himself at this point.  All that said, I'm most excited to see if Keith Taylor can shoot up the roster and challenge for starting position opposite Horn.  Quite frankly, I tire of seeing Donte Jackson.  In my opinion, he has reached his peak, and it is underwhelming.

1 minute ago, Wundrbread33 said:

Corrals body type is very similar to Wilson, who you said you would have drafted top 2. 
 

So is his size an issue or not?

Well again, body size is not my only issue with Corral.  I like Wilson's game coming out of BYU.  I liked his throwing motion and overall frame.  I would have drafted Wilson on that.  As for Corral, again I'm meh on his game.  I don't think that will translate well.

27 minutes ago, SazmoRanger said:

You lost me at Anthony Richardson. What has that dude done except look good in a uniform? Seriously, he’s barely even thrown for 600 yards and has thrown 6TDs to 5INT. What about him makes you excited? Again, other than looking good in pads? You lose credibility talking down Corral when in  the same breath talk about Florida’s backup QB last year. 

We'll see this year.  I project he's going to shoot toward the top.  I believe he has good form, one that translates well in the pros.  He has size, which is a positive.  Not too many Drew Brees and Russell Wilson sized dudes become elite in the NFL.  And even though Corral is around 6'2, the guy is scrawny.  As crazy as this sounds, I don't think this is something that can easily by fixed.  Can his frame handle a weight increase?

31 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

A year ago “Pass on Fields: tank for Howell/Rattler” was a thing.

 

Now this upcoming class apparently has 5 1st ballot hall of famers in it. 
 

No one has a damn clue. 
 

Hell last years class was QB rich and they all started their careers looking like ass. 
 

Regarding Corral, his footspeed, mobility, throwing angles, release, velocity, short and mid accuracy, pocket movement…he excels at all of this. 
 

Does that mean he will pan out? Nope. But talent is there unless you choose not to see it. 

Last year we traded for Darnold.  He was essentially our QB pick of last year.  Of course if we had the top pick or 2nd pick last year, I would have drafted Lawrence or Wilson.  Wasn't too high on Fields myself at the time.

If I compare those guys college highlights with Corral's, there are things in Lawrence's game and Wilson's game I like.  From their throwing stance and form, I say, "Yeah, they look good".  I just don't see that at all from Corral's game.  I just see a regular college QB with him, another guy.  My take is certainly not a professional criticism, it's not polished.  However, I don't think it's biased either.  I honestly don't see much of anything in his game.

11 minutes ago, davos said:

One guy was in an air-raid pass heavy Holgorson offense with padded stats and weird diamond formations and plays designed to open guys up downfield.  The other being in an RPO needing to be quick on the feet, quick developing plays and needing the mobility to run around.  Corral ran for 1,000 more yards than Grier in school, bigger arm, footwork and pocket feel is far and away better.  Entirely different players, college offenses, and Grier did nothing on the level of what Corral did in the Arkansas game.  Never.  It seems we're just blanketly trying to compare guys that fall to the 3rd round.  BUT doesn't mean he is some 1st rounder we got in the 3rd, he has his negatives and why we got him at 94 no doubt.  

Corral has issues with his deep ball accuracy and against man-defense, but you're coming at his perceived strengths saying they're not there, well, because as you admit, you just don't see the quick release people reference.  It's hard to really argue that--this just seems contrarian for the sake of being contrarian to dampen the expected overhype train that will no doubt come.  

Yeah, this is more coming from my view of his game.  Ultimately, I fear this pick will prevent us from seeking a top QB in next year's draft, which is QB rich.  Depending on where we pick in that draft, our front office may try to stick and develop Corral.  I just don't want to get stuck with him.  If he is just a guy to have on the roster, like PJ Walker, I'm cool with it.

7 minutes ago, davos said:

I really haven't seen where anyone is christening Corral our franchise QB.  You're countering very limited overreactions to him being selected.  Most of what I see are people hopeful given his traits but aware of his weaknesses, not banking on him being franchise saving.  

I think we'd all love to see Stroud, Levis, Young, Richardson, etc. come next year if he doesn't jump out enough.  

I see many of us are hyping him up.  His talent, from what I've seen in his highlights, is not better than what we saw from guys like Will Grier.

28 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Thirds can easily be recouped. Sometimes you get several thirds with compensatory picks. 

Basically, when you're in our position, you have to take swings. Corral has the arm talent and mobility to be an exceptional QB. The real question is whether playing in Kiffin's system has somehow obscured obstacles that will impede Corral from being successful, and, within that same vein from a fan's perspectives, whether Kiffin's system has somehow done a Jedi mind trick on some fairly experienced football guys (especially the OC). I don't think so. Corral's talent justified a higher pick from my perspective. If that talent is realized, then a third is a small price to pay. You have to take the swing. It's a good gamble.

If we do have a bad year, the third will be like a late 2nd.  Every year guys fall to that spot.  I hate giving that up.  Of course I'm never confident we get lucky with compensatory picks.

I see a lot of jubilation going on in this forum.  I feel like I got to be the one now to bring this thing back down to reality.  Haha!  I feel like I got to be Denzel Washington up in this bih!

Now with that said, I'm not going to totally crap on our draft because overall, I love the first pick.  We had all three of our top tackle choices available, which no one could have imagined.  We took the guy that was the most touted.  Considering we want to be a majority rush team, he was the best of the three.  Ekwonu may go on to be Hall of Fame worthy.  I'm so glad we didn't do the stupid thing and pick a QB at that spot.  With all the "experts" mocking Pickett and Willis to us at 6, it had me sweating bullets.  Yet cooler heads prevailed there.  Other picks I liked include Cade Mays, and possibly Brandon Smith.  The other guys I'm kind of meh on.  Which brings me to the guy everyone is all the rage about. Matt "Mother Trucking" Corral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Listen, there's nothing wrong with being excited to see what cats will do and having positive expectations.  However, y'all are going over the top with it.  Can we please temper (or Tepper) our expectations?  Now for personal feelings about this dude, and really about this QB class, I wouldn't bet my future on him.  I'm a patient gun.  I was fully reserved in getting our franchise guy in the following draft with cats like Anthony Richardson and Will Levis showing up.  Yet you know, our sorry coaching staff said they wanted to draft a QB, and that is what it is.  I wasn't against it, but I hate they traded up for one, especially a freaking third!  These guys were falling off the edge of a cliff. (I think Howell went in the early 4th round)  So of course as we saw, we picked Corral.  Now I'm looking at this dude, and I see nothing special, at all.  Nothing from his highlights screamed to me, "Oh, this guy is going to light things up!"  This guy will have to add weight to his frame (fat, and not necessarily muscle), he will have to learn how to adjust to a pro level scheme, and just everything about him screams he's not going to be a decent guy anytime soon. 

I'm honestly wondering why the hype?  What are folks seeing from his highlights and games, that says he can be a franchise guy?  People say he got a quick release.  Meh.  I'm not giddy about his sidewinding pitches.  Especially at his height.  Fools will be knocking his stuff down at the line like swatting flies.  When people say "Quick release" "Quick release", I'm thinking is this guy Dan Marino?  Nope!   I don't see what the buzz is about.  The truth of the matter is, Corral will not be ready to play this year.  If Darnold absolutely sucks, expect the Panthers to have a bad year, putting us back in the top ten.  If/when that happens, whatever coaching staff or front office we have at that time, we sure as heck better not say to ourselves, "We'll get Matt Corral some help".  Boy, I'm going to freaking explode if we pass on the top QBs next year in favor of sticking it out and developing Corral!  I'm flipping off every mother trucker who try to make an argument for dude in that day, you non delaying gratification bastards! 

I will say about this year, it's hard to see us having a bad season with the upgrades we made on the O-line and adding D'onta Foreman to the mix.  Darnold will have to really suck all over the field for us to get another top 10 or even top 5 pick.  If we do end up missing the playoffs and have a mid 1st next year, I would trade that and a couple of more 1sts for a guy like Anthony Richardson.  That's just me.  I wouldn't waste any time playing around with Matt Corral, and that's certainly the case if we are top 5.

I believe Carson Strong is still available.  I think the Panthers have at least one more pick.  They need to draft him.

I mean I don't really want to crap on people's parade.  I see a lot of us are excited about this guy, but I don't really know why.  The funny thing is, I think the Colts just picked up a bonifide superstar two picks after with Nick Cross.  We will look back on this thing a few years later, and see Nick Cross being a three or four time probowler, while Corral here will probably be riding the bench.  Next year's QB class will be a million times more powerful, and we will probably take one at that time to be our franchise guy.  This was a wasted pick.

18 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

We traded our 4th this year and 3rd next to get him.

I thought we weren't giving up any picks next year 1-3.  The lie detector test has determined, THAT WAS A LIE!  Of course, not surprised.

Well in my opinion, that was too much.  They could have just sat tight, and let any of those guys drop to our fourth, and that would have sufficed.  Matt Coral, Sam Howell, who cares.  Actually, the only QB worth drafting in this class was Carson Strong.  I guess there are more questions on his knee than we realized.  Overall, this pick is disappointing to me because it shows this staff desperation.  Yeah, you might be fired after this year if you suck, but you brought that on yourself.  As a fan, I can't get excited about this.

1 minute ago, Monrowed said:

Yeah they were also saying that the reason there’s a big run on these wide receivers is because the cost of a free agent wide receiver is going up and it’s a better idea just to go ahead and draft one y to get them cheap for five years.

Unlike running backs, receivers aren't a dime a dozen.  These teams are taking up a bad strategy if they think all these receivers are the same as number one talent at the position.

Dag, if you listen to these experts, all the receivers in this draft will be hall of famers lol!