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22 hours ago, fanpanther said:

Fields has never averaged more than 200 passing yards a year....even with weapons and a good oline .  Everyone that thinks fields is awesome just learned how awesome every coach in the nfl considers him...with all that said he still would possibly be an upgrade to b young.

As a Steeler fan, I agree.  Fields had one season that looked good. But he had WR and a line that he should have had multiple seasons. 

we've took mitch Trubisky and hoped it was the bears coaching who was the problem...... but we learned mitch was horrible. And he was so horrible that a #3 QB was able to take his spot. 

I hope fields shows to being a #2. If he does then sign a long contract that's cheap. So then in a 2026/2027 he can start and look good...... but I think he'll hit free agency next year and someone will have him be a starter. And then we get a comp pick for him. 

On 3/16/2024 at 6:57 PM, uncfan888 said:

So the steelers got Mr unlimited and then traded for Justin fields to be a backup? Weird 

Pickett cried when we got Wilson.  Because he wanted to be 1.... but it's strange he went to eagles to be the backup.  

Pickett also stopped working with WR right after he found out we got wilson.  

I'm shocked how Pickett behaved.  

But with that said we had no one behind wilson. So we would have been looking at drafting in the 3rd.

So With getting fields, we're kicking the can down the field another year. As well looking at getting a comp pick for him if he goes on to be a starter for someone. 

Also funny fact, fields is a year younger than Pickett. 

On 3/13/2024 at 9:53 PM, HardcoreHokie said:

Exactly.

We won that trade and Steelers fans will admit it if pressed.

Ummm you must have not been our site or searching x. There's no Steeler fan saying that. 

1. We worked Jackson contract to 4.75 million. 

2. We understand Jackson had an injury a couple years ago, but played a full season last year.  

3. We know he can be a #1, but understand he let's up big plays. 

4. We needed a corner bad.  

but Johnson.....

1. dude was a locker room cancer. 

2. He watched a fumble happen in front of him and walked away. 

3. While he can be flashy, he also can make you hit your head against the table with his running back 5 yards after a catch. ..... much like y'all say that Jackson let's up big plays. 

4. Johnson contract was not worth it. And his problems and his locker room issue was going to get him cut regardless. ..... while y'all were probably going to cut Jackson as well, due to his contract. But we worked his contract down to 4.75. 

On 3/13/2024 at 3:29 PM, HardcoreHokie said:

What are they saying about what they got in return - Donte Jackson?

We're cool with it.  We understand he will be our #1 and can tackle. But we know he'll let up big plays.

We know there's an injury a couple years ago.  And we hope it doesn't happen again. 

But with him reworking his contract to only 4.75 million, it makes it all OK to us now.  

33 minutes ago, top dawg said:

It was a good deal for both teams. CBS Sports actually gave the Steelers an A and us a B (they get rhe better grade for moving up). They need corners and we need receivers. 

We need a Corner bad. We would have took a #3 and been happy. 

35 minutes ago, weyco2000 said:

Catches is the key word, that’s a step in right direction.

Wa it really that bad? 

Johnson will drop a couple. But who doesn't.... you'll be happy with him, as long as you don't get upset when he goes back 5 after the catch. 

He can be a #1.

And his injury wasn't that bad. It just sucked. I don't see him being injury prone. 

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It's the same thing. Both are just southern slang of butchered English words. 

I still say it's the Chinese currency where it came from. And no one wants to admit it. Lol

32 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I always love when a fan of the previous team shows up and has NOTHING positive to say. 

I've been watching football for 45 years now.  He's a talented kid.  Had some injuries.   The team that drafted him is moving on.  His new team picked him up for peanuts. He doesn't have to be elite to improve the Panthers receiving core.  Sometimes a change of scenery and system is needed.  

Thanks for your time steeliedude,  you can go back home now. 

Don't get so butthurt. Like I said week one you'll be asking why he drops back after the catch. 

So I guess everyone at the Steelers forum has been complaining for 2 years and calming him Mr. I run backwards for nothing.

2 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

You didn’t want him. If anybody would have traded literally anything for him our GM would have jumped to get rid of his contract. I’m pretty sure he’s still available doesn’t look like anybody wants him.

We tried hard for the Bills center. So I'm really surprised we didn't try for your center. 

We are sitting right now with no one because we cut the guy who would under throw it so many times. 

6 minutes ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Yeah I know they won't trade him but sure wish they would. I like him as well too and if he has a decent QB throwing to him I could see him lighting it up week after week.

You know where we can find a decent QB at? Lol. 

Even if russell wilson works out for us. It's just going to be a year 

12 minutes ago, chbright said:

So you mean year one of the Mitch and Kenny experience. Yeah no doubt he didn't light up the stat sheet. that was Bryce bad QB play. Hell y'all basically just took the air out of the ball and methodically used Johnson as an extension of the run game and ran it down our throats in 2022. I wouldn't trust Mitch either.

Don't think it's a coincidence his play and output dropped in 2022 after big Ben retired. He was the leading receiver in yards what 3 straight years, and wasn't in all the games. He's what we lack and everyone wants: big play potential. If healthy he took the top off the defense for years, and that speed isn't gone.  Now can our QB get him the ball...... Remains to be seen, and if not it's going to be ugly. Johnson's catch and retreat move is gonna piss us all off for damn sure.

Jackson is going to frustrate you. He loves to make a play and then later give up a huge one, game after game.. we both are trading for potential and unloading our underperforming guys here. Think Jackson has a better outcome as he won't be asked to be a #2 CB for you all. We likely ask Johnson to be a top 2 WR and want him as the #1 as it stands today. Hope for us he's motivated to perform for the next contract.

Thanks. Last year we rotated QB. It was our #3 that made Pickens look great. 

I would not worry about health. Unless you're going to run him into the ground. 

And I agree we are both trading for hope. 

Now I want to know why yinz couldn't trade us your center before he was cut!!!

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

We are use to that. Most of the guys we have do the same thing. But ours rarely get up field.  Theilen is they only guy that knows how to cut a route short and still get up field to get a 1st down. He's the old guy that knows what the fug to do after the catch.

Ah, then you'll be fine with him. He has more breakouts vs getting hot when he goes back 5. 

He'll drop some. But who doesn't? 

He's injury sucked, but it wasn't like a bad thing. I also think we were cautious with it, due to we had WR to go to. 

.... so if you're used to that and cool with it then you should be happy with him getting 10 million. That will look good for you. 

1 minute ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Can we get George Pickens from them as well? He was pretty disgruntled last season.

Negative.  I like the kid. But a lot of Steeler fans hate it. 

He shut Tomlin up at the end. 

Just now, WUnderhill said:

I mean you might be right I don’t watch the Steelers I’m just saying he did nothing wrong in that clip and it has me wondering if the Steelers just called a bunch of comebacks and curls for him and that’s what you were seeing.

It was Johnson thing. No one else did that move off the catch and then go back 5. If not for that he would probably have another 100 yards

2 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

I dunno. It's a contract year for him so we need him to ball out for the money, not get paid and take it easy. He's 28ish, will be working hard for that one last big contract. It's obvious they're all in on seeing if Bryce can get it done with a better supporting cast so they should see it through the right way for this one year  

You mean like Claypool did to the bears when we traded him?

Forgot to upload this image. @WUnderhillbut we've talked about it for years. There's threads on it.  

Just now, WUnderhill said:

Huh? That can’t be what you’re talking about. He ran a comeback and made the defender miss.

Be prepared it will drive you up the wall when he catches and runs back 5 yards. I bet week one yinz will be asking, "what was that?".

9 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

I'm higher on Jackson than most, but here's a little more.

In my opinion he's a very decent corner. He can tackle well for a corner and more importantly wants to make the tackle, which at times has gotten him hurt. He has decent hands for a corner and tracks balls well. He's on the smaller side, but gives 100% effort, and plays with fire — is a talker. He can get burned, but so can anyone really, so I never faulted him, especially in last year's disaster of a team.

His health is the biggest concern. If he stays healthy I think he will play well.

Thanks. We coach up tackling, so that will be nice to see he didn't need that training. 

Health we are meh on. 

5 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Are you a troll? Pickens was your number 1. 1,141 yds and 5 TDs. And had 800 yds and 4 TDs in 2022 as a rookie. What are you trying to even argue here?

Look at receptions. Two years ago Johnson was #1. Last year Pickens didn't start getting the ball until the end for receptions. 

Just because Pickens put up great numbers, doesn't make him a #1. 

https://youtube.com/shorts/l514q9vpSJk?si=oICE8Nw7XmdPTuPu

This is what to be prepared for after he catches. He'll drop back 5 yards and then break out. Some times it will work, some times it bites. 

last year he would just watch stuff. Like a fumble happen.... so I hope your coach lights a fire into him. And he doen't turn out like Claypool for the bears. 

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

Yeah, I don't want to hear memes about negative YAC. He's far better than anyone on this roster and better than probably all the receivers we've had since Steve Smith & D.J. Moore. I know you guys have been spoiled with receivers this past decade but let me be the first to inform you that it can be a difficult position to draft and develop.

Having said that, Donte Jackson is a starting caliber corner, that I expect will play well at the CB2 position barring injury.

Thanks, I appreciate that. Because we have been burned last year. P² was a joke. And the boy we drafted was a #2. Which was hard on him because of no one to help him.  

I hope the best for Johnson. Some times that move off dropping back 5 and then making a move worked. But it scares the heck out of you. 

Also our QB suck. Last couple of years with Ben we thought was bad, but it went to being a nightmare. So maybe Johnson can be better.

Also our OC was an idiot. (I would curse and say worse, but I'm not sure what is allowed here).... so maybe Johnson can be better. 

George Pickens seems to be good for us. But there's an attitude. I like it, but most fans hate it. 

7 minutes ago, chbright said:

Well, one bad contract of another. Johnson has potential to be top 10 WR. but man he already started the on the field post Pittsburgh AB antics in Pittsburgh with a questionable QB. Idk this could get really spicy. Let's hope we can feed him and keep him happy, cause of so we likely are doing worlds better than last year in the passing game.

Wait what? Johnson is a potential top 10? I'm dying. Dude had zero touchdowns 2 years ago. He was forced in the #1 slot and he is just meh. There's a reason why he's only getting paid 10 million. 

Oh and be prepared for him to drop 5 yards back after his catch, and then he makes a move. 

10 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Late to the party but I had him in Fantasy last season. Massive let down. But to be fair, he was hurt AND not their #1. Hopefully he can be happy being the #1 here ... even with you know who throwing him the ball.

Ummm he was our #1, who told you he wasn't? Pickens was practically benched a couple games, as well so many below 50 yards.  By Chance have you bothered to look at his 2022 year of a whopping zero touchdowns.